You disingenuous faggot - your argument was that right wingers here use violent speech and leftists didn't even come close, when the opposite is true. You aren't being genuine at all, you're spewing base retarded propaganda lines like "leftists OPPOSE GENOCIDE because we're thr GOOD GUYS that oppose BAD THING", outright ignoring and rejecting history and actual ideological structure and definition of what right and left are.
You are the most loathsome type of cretin - objective reality can't convince you that your "tribe" (because that is how you are defining leftists) is actually capable of wrong. You are not engaging in good faith discussion, you probably aren't even capable of such.
Pro and anti war is not a left or right position. Racial identity politics is collectivist, which is a left wing ideology. Every genocidal government in recent history has been left wing, every racial collectivist movement is left wing. Anarchists by definition cannot be left wing - "anarcho communists" are misguided retards. "Left libertarians" are not libertarians, they are degenerates. There is no pro big centralized government right wing party, those positions are mutually exclusive. Any objective measurement of ideologies has to be a linear scale. Left and right is the totalitarian - anarchist scale. I explained how the model you aren't even correctly describing is false - fascists were only propagandized into being "right" based on a non-objective false model.
Communists committed genocide multiple times. Describing leftism as "anti-genocide" is objectively false.
your argument was that right wingers here use violent speech and leftists didn't even come close
In terms of severity, yes.
outright ignoring and rejecting history
You're using loose relations of what those parties stood for and what leftists stand for and drawing bad comparisons. Nazis, North Korea, Pol Pot, all stood for an unequal society that relied on one group, either by genetics, religion, or otherwise, ruling over the others. Leftist parties today are largely based on equality among race/class/gender/orientation etc.
You're making the same mistake that you're telling me not to make, and putting Nazis on some arbitrary left/right system. Yes, they were anti-capitalist. They were also anti-communism. They were also anti-gay. They were also anti-gun ownership. The comparison is weak.
You are not engaging in good faith discussion, you probably aren't even capable of such.
I'm more than happy to engage with you on a format that is outside of paragraphs where you can make assumptions about me, then start ranting about them, only for me to have to try and dismantle false perceptions. You won't though. Nobody ever does, under the guise of declaring me to be the one incapable.
You're so fast to sling insults and say that I'm not capable of good faith conversation? Please.
There is no pro big centralized government right wing party
There certainly are, and they call him God Emperor
I challenge you to try and engage in a real, actual vocal debate with me. I'd be delighted to, and engage in genuine good faith discussion. I have a feeling you'll just call me a faggot and say "blah blah you can have the last word I'm tired" when in reality you just know that once we talk, you'll realize your assumptions were all wrong.
Let me know! Otherwise I'm not really interesed in your mud slinging
You are the one coming here spewing OBJECTIVE FALSEHOODS, ignoring any real deifinitions or historical fact. Everything you have said here is wrong. You are literally spouting retarded boilerplate advertisement for "your team" when you say that leftist parties are about "equality", which is an empty, bullshit "we're the good guy" statement, not a concrete ideological structure.
If you cannot accept that words have meanings and political terms have concrete definitions, you are the one completely unable to debate seriously. Your premise that leftists have no ideology beyond equality or other "generic good thing" and any of them that do bad things are therefore not leftists, is not logic. It is vomit inducing dogma regurgitated by people who have replaced religion with their political party.
You claim I make assumptions to imply that they have no backing. I make assertions about your character that are solely based on your own words and your constant attempts to dodge facts, ignore history and reality and rewrite definitions to suit your complete nonsense. These assertions are proven correct by every followup post where you do exactly what I said you do. You are not CAPABLE of debate as an equal, you are a base and vile tribalist, not an honest intellectual. Cease posting here, tourist. You have no grasp of what this forum is even for, and you are even less competent than some of the wannabe nazi fag brigaders. You have refuted zero points, you have made zero accurate statements, you have done nothing more than go "nuh uh leftists are only GOOD GUYS all bad guys weren't leftists" ignoring their own words, actions and structures and rejecting the real and concrete ideological definitions. You do this to try to deflect the fact that leftist ideologies led to hundreds of millions of deaths. But you can't, because that was reality, and I'm not a room temperature IQ cnn goblin. This can't be called a debate because you don't even know what a debate IS, you cretin.
Lmk if you wanna use a different medium because this clearly isn't working. You're getting my words twisted in some way. I'm not here to throw insults.
You disingenuous faggot - your argument was that right wingers here use violent speech and leftists didn't even come close, when the opposite is true. You aren't being genuine at all, you're spewing base retarded propaganda lines like "leftists OPPOSE GENOCIDE because we're thr GOOD GUYS that oppose BAD THING", outright ignoring and rejecting history and actual ideological structure and definition of what right and left are.
You are the most loathsome type of cretin - objective reality can't convince you that your "tribe" (because that is how you are defining leftists) is actually capable of wrong. You are not engaging in good faith discussion, you probably aren't even capable of such.
Pro and anti war is not a left or right position. Racial identity politics is collectivist, which is a left wing ideology. Every genocidal government in recent history has been left wing, every racial collectivist movement is left wing. Anarchists by definition cannot be left wing - "anarcho communists" are misguided retards. "Left libertarians" are not libertarians, they are degenerates. There is no pro big centralized government right wing party, those positions are mutually exclusive. Any objective measurement of ideologies has to be a linear scale. Left and right is the totalitarian - anarchist scale. I explained how the model you aren't even correctly describing is false - fascists were only propagandized into being "right" based on a non-objective false model.
Communists committed genocide multiple times. Describing leftism as "anti-genocide" is objectively false.
In terms of severity, yes.
You're using loose relations of what those parties stood for and what leftists stand for and drawing bad comparisons. Nazis, North Korea, Pol Pot, all stood for an unequal society that relied on one group, either by genetics, religion, or otherwise, ruling over the others. Leftist parties today are largely based on equality among race/class/gender/orientation etc.
You're making the same mistake that you're telling me not to make, and putting Nazis on some arbitrary left/right system. Yes, they were anti-capitalist. They were also anti-communism. They were also anti-gay. They were also anti-gun ownership. The comparison is weak.
I'm more than happy to engage with you on a format that is outside of paragraphs where you can make assumptions about me, then start ranting about them, only for me to have to try and dismantle false perceptions. You won't though. Nobody ever does, under the guise of declaring me to be the one incapable.
You're so fast to sling insults and say that I'm not capable of good faith conversation? Please.
There certainly are, and they call him God Emperor
I challenge you to try and engage in a real, actual vocal debate with me. I'd be delighted to, and engage in genuine good faith discussion. I have a feeling you'll just call me a faggot and say "blah blah you can have the last word I'm tired" when in reality you just know that once we talk, you'll realize your assumptions were all wrong.
Let me know! Otherwise I'm not really interesed in your mud slinging
You are the one coming here spewing OBJECTIVE FALSEHOODS, ignoring any real deifinitions or historical fact. Everything you have said here is wrong. You are literally spouting retarded boilerplate advertisement for "your team" when you say that leftist parties are about "equality", which is an empty, bullshit "we're the good guy" statement, not a concrete ideological structure.
If you cannot accept that words have meanings and political terms have concrete definitions, you are the one completely unable to debate seriously. Your premise that leftists have no ideology beyond equality or other "generic good thing" and any of them that do bad things are therefore not leftists, is not logic. It is vomit inducing dogma regurgitated by people who have replaced religion with their political party.
You claim I make assumptions to imply that they have no backing. I make assertions about your character that are solely based on your own words and your constant attempts to dodge facts, ignore history and reality and rewrite definitions to suit your complete nonsense. These assertions are proven correct by every followup post where you do exactly what I said you do. You are not CAPABLE of debate as an equal, you are a base and vile tribalist, not an honest intellectual. Cease posting here, tourist. You have no grasp of what this forum is even for, and you are even less competent than some of the wannabe nazi fag brigaders. You have refuted zero points, you have made zero accurate statements, you have done nothing more than go "nuh uh leftists are only GOOD GUYS all bad guys weren't leftists" ignoring their own words, actions and structures and rejecting the real and concrete ideological definitions. You do this to try to deflect the fact that leftist ideologies led to hundreds of millions of deaths. But you can't, because that was reality, and I'm not a room temperature IQ cnn goblin. This can't be called a debate because you don't even know what a debate IS, you cretin.
Didn’t read this one. Seethe I guess.
Lmk if you wanna use a different medium because this clearly isn't working. You're getting my words twisted in some way. I'm not here to throw insults.