Its got Mark Ruffalo in it, it was guaranteed to be both TDS political and bad.
His most famous role, and the only one anyone knows him from, has him playing the worst iteration of the character to the point people still miss Edward Norton who he replaced after a single movie.
You know how bad you have to be for people to do that even while they are endlessly praising your movie? Nobody remembers Terrance Howard. Ruffalo is not a good actor and nobody seems willing to tell him.
Robert Pattinson has to have the most unfortunate career due to having the worstest/wokest agent and the general state of the industry just sucking. The age of the movie star is long past, but Pattinson aught to be staring in good movies and getting the appropriate props. Yes, yes, his beginning in Twilight was amusing, but he's got some chops and everything he's in kind of sucks. "The Batman" was a great example; he could have been the best Bruce/Batman (a dichotomy that Nolan just skipped) since Keaton, but the writing and direction of that abortion just brought Pattinson back to his Twilight days.
i wouldn't say skipped. just not given any room to develop and breath. which i don't actually find wrong. if you don't have a good storythread that wouldn't make the movies overbloated, just keep it tight and on the side like nolan.
maybe mask on or mask off, he's batman the vigilante all the time. Bruce Wayne is just a cover he used to hide his batman identity, Bruce Wayne doesn't have personal hobbies or enjoyments beyond what superficial acts he showed to his acquaintances. kinda like the opposite of iron man, who is Tony stark all the time.
I'm pretty sure that Nolan addressed that dichotomy at the end of "Dark Knight Rises." Bruce stands naked in front of the mirror and the voiceover begins, "There is an idea of a Bruce Wayne; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. I simply am not there."
I think he covered it in Batman Begins pretty solidly. There were those conversations with Rachel about identity, culminating with Batman telling her, "his actions define who he was."
You had the scene when he approached the mobster at the bar with the gun. And the mobster says guys like Bruce don't belong there.
And you had Alfred who was always trying to lessen him being Batman and doing good as Bruce.
I agree there was no existential crisis speech with him crying about is he Bruce/Batman but there was plenty of subtext, IMO.
We didn't need a whiny Bruce about his alter ego becoming a personality disorder as they tried to infer in Batman Forever, or make him emotionally unstable like The Batman.
Nolan's Batman, much like Burton's Batman, was very thoroughly masculine in knowing who he was and what he had to do, and how to do it. There was no confusion in his methods, and I think that's what helped those iterations resonate so much with broader audiences (especially men).
Nolan's Batman was essentially the epitome of the manosphere tenets about being on your grind and staying on your grind no matter what, and in his universe, Batman did so until he physically couldn't really do it anymore.
Its got Mark Ruffalo in it, it was guaranteed to be both TDS political and bad.
His most famous role, and the only one anyone knows him from, has him playing the worst iteration of the character to the point people still miss Edward Norton who he replaced after a single movie.
You know how bad you have to be for people to do that even while they are endlessly praising your movie? Nobody remembers Terrance Howard. Ruffalo is not a good actor and nobody seems willing to tell him.
Robert Pattinson has to have the most unfortunate career due to having the worstest/wokest agent and the general state of the industry just sucking. The age of the movie star is long past, but Pattinson aught to be staring in good movies and getting the appropriate props. Yes, yes, his beginning in Twilight was amusing, but he's got some chops and everything he's in kind of sucks. "The Batman" was a great example; he could have been the best Bruce/Batman (a dichotomy that Nolan just skipped) since Keaton, but the writing and direction of that abortion just brought Pattinson back to his Twilight days.
Can you describe how Nolan skipped the dichotomy?
i wouldn't say skipped. just not given any room to develop and breath. which i don't actually find wrong. if you don't have a good storythread that wouldn't make the movies overbloated, just keep it tight and on the side like nolan.
maybe mask on or mask off, he's batman the vigilante all the time. Bruce Wayne is just a cover he used to hide his batman identity, Bruce Wayne doesn't have personal hobbies or enjoyments beyond what superficial acts he showed to his acquaintances. kinda like the opposite of iron man, who is Tony stark all the time.
I'm pretty sure that Nolan addressed that dichotomy at the end of "Dark Knight Rises." Bruce stands naked in front of the mirror and the voiceover begins, "There is an idea of a Bruce Wayne; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. I simply am not there."
Right? 🤔
I think he covered it in Batman Begins pretty solidly. There were those conversations with Rachel about identity, culminating with Batman telling her, "his actions define who he was."
You had the scene when he approached the mobster at the bar with the gun. And the mobster says guys like Bruce don't belong there.
And you had Alfred who was always trying to lessen him being Batman and doing good as Bruce.
I agree there was no existential crisis speech with him crying about is he Bruce/Batman but there was plenty of subtext, IMO.
Well said and I agree.
We didn't need a whiny Bruce about his alter ego becoming a personality disorder as they tried to infer in Batman Forever, or make him emotionally unstable like The Batman.
Nolan's Batman, much like Burton's Batman, was very thoroughly masculine in knowing who he was and what he had to do, and how to do it. There was no confusion in his methods, and I think that's what helped those iterations resonate so much with broader audiences (especially men).
Nolan's Batman was essentially the epitome of the manosphere tenets about being on your grind and staying on your grind no matter what, and in his universe, Batman did so until he physically couldn't really do it anymore.