Now these fires are also hazmat sites that require hazmat teams and hazmat disposal. I doubt the current estimates factored that into their math, and no doubt contractors will drag their feet to squeeze every penny out of the budget. So much for saving the environment or whatever.
There's probably very little in comparison that works in favour of EV vs ICE.
The fires are one of the obvious things when you show just how hard it is to put one out permanently, but on top of that you have the shorter travel distances, further safety issues such as some electronic vehicles locking people inside their car with no way to get out - sometimes with fatal consequences, and I wonder at times if the more silent running has led to more people being run over because they simply don't hear the car coming any more.
And that's just the actual car. Then you have all the shit that happens with the lithium mining and production turning places into literal chemical wastelands.
I wonder at times if the more silent running has led to more people being run over because they simply don't hear the car coming any more.
Yes, this is why some models emit obnoxious "Jetsons" sound effects while driving.
But more seriously, EV's are sold with an incomplete product cycle; namely, it's end-of-life procedure. What do you do with the battery once it's depleted? There are companies that will recycle the battery, but these plants are often remote, so you have to pay to have the battery transported to them. Because of the weight, it can cost as much as transporting an actual car, so $800 to $1,200.
Then those companies want to be paid for the service, even though they're recycling the rare earth minerals and reselling them at a profit. Imagine paying McDonalds to take your old cow so they can turn it into cheeseburgers and keep all the profits. Where's the incentive for you? It makes more sense to just abandon the cow on the side of the road. That's exactly what's happened in a few cities, with the city impound being stuck with the headache. More could be said, but none of it makes any sense either for the environment or the economy.
Those batteries aren't exactly easily removed either. They also still use a shitpot of oil to manufacture, so it's not like the oil companies are losing much.
AP News reported that a fire broke out Thursday at the Moss Landing Power Plant, a natural gas-fired generation plant with thousands of lithium batteries for energy storage.
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Local media outlet The Mercury News noted that fires at the Vistra plant, which Vistra Energy owns, and one of the largest battery storage facilities in the world boasting a capacity of 750 megawatts and 3,000 megawatt-hours, experienced fires in 2021 and 2022. The energy storage facility plays a massive role in stabilizing California's power grid.
Yes, home-installed battery packs were also mentioned in the video. It's an absolute (toxic) mess. They can't start clearing debris until hazmat teams identify these sites and how far they're spread. Because of the constant dousing of water, the toxic materials have likely seeped into the soil, so that will need to be addressed too. I really hope honest journalists document how having all these EVs/ Battery Packs concentrated so closely has created a worse environmental disaster than what the tech purports to prevent.
You should see the shit you have to put up with in CA if you want install a diesel generator. It's a fucking nightmare. Then the "air resources board" entitles itself to show up at your property and give you the 3rd degree over your generator, inspect your hours, and possibly fine you if you've run too many hours for your certificate.
Yet.. install a battery pack.. no problem.. no registration.. no oversight.
There are real journalists on our side. O'Keefe Media obviously, but even Michael Moore -- yeah, that guy -- made "Planet of the Humans" on this very subject. So it's possible. I'm talking about legit journalists.
At least LA isn't running ICE vehicles as much and producing so much carbon...
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Now these fires are also hazmat sites that require hazmat teams and hazmat disposal. I doubt the current estimates factored that into their math, and no doubt contractors will drag their feet to squeeze every penny out of the budget. So much for saving the environment or whatever.
There's probably very little in comparison that works in favour of EV vs ICE.
The fires are one of the obvious things when you show just how hard it is to put one out permanently, but on top of that you have the shorter travel distances, further safety issues such as some electronic vehicles locking people inside their car with no way to get out - sometimes with fatal consequences, and I wonder at times if the more silent running has led to more people being run over because they simply don't hear the car coming any more.
And that's just the actual car. Then you have all the shit that happens with the lithium mining and production turning places into literal chemical wastelands.
Yes, this is why some models emit obnoxious "Jetsons" sound effects while driving.
But more seriously, EV's are sold with an incomplete product cycle; namely, it's end-of-life procedure. What do you do with the battery once it's depleted? There are companies that will recycle the battery, but these plants are often remote, so you have to pay to have the battery transported to them. Because of the weight, it can cost as much as transporting an actual car, so $800 to $1,200.
Then those companies want to be paid for the service, even though they're recycling the rare earth minerals and reselling them at a profit. Imagine paying McDonalds to take your old cow so they can turn it into cheeseburgers and keep all the profits. Where's the incentive for you? It makes more sense to just abandon the cow on the side of the road. That's exactly what's happened in a few cities, with the city impound being stuck with the headache. More could be said, but none of it makes any sense either for the environment or the economy.
Those batteries aren't exactly easily removed either. They also still use a shitpot of oil to manufacture, so it's not like the oil companies are losing much.
"can you imagine the smog?"
tards live in a valley and can't figure out why the air sucks.
Clearly Trump's fault for /checks notes: not doing anything because he still isn't actually in office yet.
Not just in individual cars, either. Apparently a power plant that was storing lithium batteries also caught fire.
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/disaster-fire-erupts-california-battery-storage-plant
Yes, home-installed battery packs were also mentioned in the video. It's an absolute (toxic) mess. They can't start clearing debris until hazmat teams identify these sites and how far they're spread. Because of the constant dousing of water, the toxic materials have likely seeped into the soil, so that will need to be addressed too. I really hope honest journalists document how having all these EVs/ Battery Packs concentrated so closely has created a worse environmental disaster than what the tech purports to prevent.
You should see the shit you have to put up with in CA if you want install a diesel generator. It's a fucking nightmare. Then the "air resources board" entitles itself to show up at your property and give you the 3rd degree over your generator, inspect your hours, and possibly fine you if you've run too many hours for your certificate.
Yet.. install a battery pack.. no problem.. no registration.. no oversight.
FUCK the administrative state.
>hope
>journalists
Hope in one hand, shit in another. See which one fills up first.
There are real journalists on our side. O'Keefe Media obviously, but even Michael Moore -- yeah, that guy -- made "Planet of the Humans" on this very subject. So it's possible. I'm talking about legit journalists.
See if we had hydrogen fuel cells compared to EV, this wouldn't be an issue.
The fire might also be out by now thanks to the explosions destroying any fuel /s
At least hydrogen explosions create water instead of toxic lithium runoff.