I have two people in my family that didn't want to but unfortunately caved due to things like their jobs. And I do at least feel sorry for them. We can all say people should have held out at all costs, but I get that it can be very difficult to give up an entire career like some did.
Still, the other family members that got their vaccines definitely get a level of apathy. I won't take joy in it, but neither will I be seeing them as victims in any way.
When they started talking about forced vaccinations I made it clear to myself and God that anyone who tried to force vaccinate me would die. The idea was comfortable for me.
I mean, I resisted too. Lost a job over it. It was rough, but I'm glad I did. Sadly, I saw the trouble and weight that it put on my family members that tried and couldn't resist. I truly feel sorry for them. Those types of people are victims. Not everyone can make a stand, though they wanted to.
Bravado away, I was nervous. I doubted myself at times and wondered if it was worth it, because it wasn't just me that my choice effected. And in retrospect I've been vindicated. But I have a lot of empathy for those that wanted to resist and caved. Because I was there myself. And I thank God that I didn't cave, but I don't blame others that struggled and ultimately did. I blame every single person that put that pressure on them to ensure they caved. Every politician. Every employers. Every coworker, neighbour, or family member that guilted and pressured and fearmongered those around them to cave. Those are the people that I hate.
There was never a better time to get fired than during Covid. Read that again. My sister dared them to do it and they did. Then she collected $700/week from unemployment and was approved for food stamps under "emergency criteria" to stay home with her family. She saved up over $22k, that's how much money and assistance she was getting. She later sued and they settled out of court.
People like you and yours were afraid because you're ignorant of labor laws, you're ignorant of contract law, you don't know your own Rights, and you're even more timid about suing employers. Another family member knew he was going to be laid off. I told him to sue his employer for insufficient compensation BEFORE they did; you can't fire an employee while there's legal action pending, as doing so is seen as retaliation. Well, his entire department was let go, except for him. They put him on paid leave until he withdrew his case a few months later.
Americans bitch about losing, yet they never bother to learn the rules of the game. There was NEVER a better time to get fired than during Covid!
I'm gonna say it's a bit different when it's choosing to lose a job and lose a career path.
It's also different when it's in Australia. Plenty of benefits while unemployed. Not so much in recourses after the fact considering how abysmal the legal system is for victims of just about anything unless it's class action level. It's less about being timid and simply knowing that the laws here simply don't exist like they do in America. And don't forget about how our police were treating us at the time. It was easy to allow fear to take hold a little.
And frankly, you're speaking in hindsight. At the time, shit was up in the air. I don't care about how I now know without a doubt that I made the right decision and have pursued what I can and looked into more that went nowhere. At the time, there was some really dangerous levels of rhetoric coming from the state about complying. Like I said, it's bravado aside. I can sit here and bullshit about how easy it is to throw away what was up until that point your life, but I'd be saying that in hindsight of doing it after the fact and having pieced the parts that fell apart back together. At the time, it wasn't all roses and sunshine. It was frustrating. It was challenging. It wasn't fun. But it was worth it. Because you're right, it was to defend/ensure/exercise my rights. That's always worth it. But I'm not going to sit here and devolve into machismo to say that it was a piece of cake. I wish I didn't have to go through that, even if it's made me better and I made the right choices.
People like you and yours were afraid because you're ignorant of labor laws, you're ignorant of contract law, you don't know your own Rights
The people the military that were discharged have no recompense, even after the feds lost a lawsuit and were prohibited from mandating the vaccine or taking derogatory personnel actions against those who refused.
Those that got kicked out before the court ruling did not get their jobs back, will not be receiving a monetary settlement, and lost all the vesting they had towards their retirement unless they already had 20 years in.
I almost did. Was my last day and got a call from my great-grandboss(3 levels up) telling me to get an exemption letter to him ASAP and he would guarantee it gets accepted.
Got walked out, badge destroyed access revoked, and came back the next morning with my letter approved and had everything remade. Was a wild time.
And the enemy heard you. Now they're developing an aerosol vaccine they can release into the air with crop dusters, or into the A/C vents at malls, concerts and grocery stores. They're also looking to add it - undisclosed -- into food and drinks.
Same. When it was first announced my thought process was "huh, that's a neat breakthrough but I'm going to wait a year or two and see how it shakes out. If everything goes good I'll probably get it then." But then as the machine started to rev up demanding, nay trying to force everyone to get it whether they wanted it or not, I knew nothing good was possibly going to come from it and reached the same stance as you. And today I want mass tribunals followed by poor quality hangings.
My family is pretty close and has very few internal conflicts. However, I tried to warn them all to not take the vaccines. Unfortunately, my mom and step dad did, because my brother recommended it, and he's a doctor. I'm not accredited in any way, I just know about confirmed conspiracies, the damage and lies surrounding vaccines, and the rampant corruption in the medical and pharmaceutical industries. But, I was ignored, and my brother was believed, purely because of his position of "authority" regarding health and medicine. Even more aggravating, is my mom has been anti-vaxx her whole life, knows the dangers of vaccines, and refused to vaccinate all of us as kids, but took the first Covid shot because my brother said so.
Numerous pleas and conversations with my family members, with lots of evidence to back up my claims, all amounted to nothing, because I'm not an "authority". The whole Covid thing really damaged my respect for people I thought knew better, and unfortunately the vaccine acceptance was only one part of that loss of respect.
My brother isn't a system pig, and distrusts the system a little bit, but he's always been several months, or years, behind me. This was apparent during the Covid stuff, as I told him about the inefficacy of masks, social distancing, where Covid originated, the government manufacture of Covid, the fake PCR tests, that the flu completely disappeared during Covid, that the ventilators were killing people, that vitamin C, vitamin D, hydroxochloroquine and ivermectin were the best treatments of Covid, that Remdesivir was killing people, that hospitals were intentionally killing people to get government Covid money, etc.
My brother initially resisted everything I told him, and then came around several months later on almost all of it. I warned him about the dangers of the vaccines, but he didn't listen. He got it for work, and he convinced several of my family members to get it, even my dad, who I think died due to complications of it during his lung transplant operation (even though I can't be sure, given the other health problems he was dealing with). However, my brother did come around to the stupidity of the Covid vaccines when they started pushing for more and more of them. He, and the rest of my family, only took the initial vaccines, not the subsequent ones. So, I guess that would be his admission to being wrong, but he, nor the rest of my family, ever apologized or recognized the fact that I knew all of this far, far before they did. They still resist me and reject what I tell them on lots of subjects, which is quite disheartening. I'm almost to the point where I won't tell them anything of importance any more, just to maintain my own sanity and mental health. I really love them, though, so it's a difficult decision. It just hurts all the more because they keep rejecting all the things I try to teach and tell them, regarding the corruptions of the world, the things I learn through conspiracy theory forums, the uncomfortable truths that go against the programming they still get, because they still have some blind faith in the system. They're right wing, but what I would describe as "right wing normies", except for two of them (both of them are my brother in laws).
I have two people in my family that didn't want to but unfortunately caved due to things like their jobs. And I do at least feel sorry for them. We can all say people should have held out at all costs, but I get that it can be very difficult to give up an entire career like some did.
Still, the other family members that got their vaccines definitely get a level of apathy. I won't take joy in it, but neither will I be seeing them as victims in any way.
When they started talking about forced vaccinations I made it clear to myself and God that anyone who tried to force vaccinate me would die. The idea was comfortable for me.
I mean, I resisted too. Lost a job over it. It was rough, but I'm glad I did. Sadly, I saw the trouble and weight that it put on my family members that tried and couldn't resist. I truly feel sorry for them. Those types of people are victims. Not everyone can make a stand, though they wanted to.
Bravado away, I was nervous. I doubted myself at times and wondered if it was worth it, because it wasn't just me that my choice effected. And in retrospect I've been vindicated. But I have a lot of empathy for those that wanted to resist and caved. Because I was there myself. And I thank God that I didn't cave, but I don't blame others that struggled and ultimately did. I blame every single person that put that pressure on them to ensure they caved. Every politician. Every employers. Every coworker, neighbour, or family member that guilted and pressured and fearmongered those around them to cave. Those are the people that I hate.
Make a list. If society collapses and this becomes a free-for-all, you'll have something to keep you busy.
There was never a better time to get fired than during Covid. Read that again. My sister dared them to do it and they did. Then she collected $700/week from unemployment and was approved for food stamps under "emergency criteria" to stay home with her family. She saved up over $22k, that's how much money and assistance she was getting. She later sued and they settled out of court.
People like you and yours were afraid because you're ignorant of labor laws, you're ignorant of contract law, you don't know your own Rights, and you're even more timid about suing employers. Another family member knew he was going to be laid off. I told him to sue his employer for insufficient compensation BEFORE they did; you can't fire an employee while there's legal action pending, as doing so is seen as retaliation. Well, his entire department was let go, except for him. They put him on paid leave until he withdrew his case a few months later.
Americans bitch about losing, yet they never bother to learn the rules of the game. There was NEVER a better time to get fired than during Covid!
I'm gonna say it's a bit different when it's choosing to lose a job and lose a career path.
It's also different when it's in Australia. Plenty of benefits while unemployed. Not so much in recourses after the fact considering how abysmal the legal system is for victims of just about anything unless it's class action level. It's less about being timid and simply knowing that the laws here simply don't exist like they do in America. And don't forget about how our police were treating us at the time. It was easy to allow fear to take hold a little.
And frankly, you're speaking in hindsight. At the time, shit was up in the air. I don't care about how I now know without a doubt that I made the right decision and have pursued what I can and looked into more that went nowhere. At the time, there was some really dangerous levels of rhetoric coming from the state about complying. Like I said, it's bravado aside. I can sit here and bullshit about how easy it is to throw away what was up until that point your life, but I'd be saying that in hindsight of doing it after the fact and having pieced the parts that fell apart back together. At the time, it wasn't all roses and sunshine. It was frustrating. It was challenging. It wasn't fun. But it was worth it. Because you're right, it was to defend/ensure/exercise my rights. That's always worth it. But I'm not going to sit here and devolve into machismo to say that it was a piece of cake. I wish I didn't have to go through that, even if it's made me better and I made the right choices.
The people the military that were discharged have no recompense, even after the feds lost a lawsuit and were prohibited from mandating the vaccine or taking derogatory personnel actions against those who refused.
Those that got kicked out before the court ruling did not get their jobs back, will not be receiving a monetary settlement, and lost all the vesting they had towards their retirement unless they already had 20 years in.
That was a tough choice
... I guess that's how we go from a high-trust society to a low trust one.
I almost did. Was my last day and got a call from my great-grandboss(3 levels up) telling me to get an exemption letter to him ASAP and he would guarantee it gets accepted.
Got walked out, badge destroyed access revoked, and came back the next morning with my letter approved and had everything remade. Was a wild time.
And the enemy heard you. Now they're developing an aerosol vaccine they can release into the air with crop dusters, or into the A/C vents at malls, concerts and grocery stores. They're also looking to add it - undisclosed -- into food and drinks.
Same rule applies. Someone is going to die.
Same. When it was first announced my thought process was "huh, that's a neat breakthrough but I'm going to wait a year or two and see how it shakes out. If everything goes good I'll probably get it then." But then as the machine started to rev up demanding, nay trying to force everyone to get it whether they wanted it or not, I knew nothing good was possibly going to come from it and reached the same stance as you. And today I want mass tribunals followed by poor quality hangings.
My family is pretty close and has very few internal conflicts. However, I tried to warn them all to not take the vaccines. Unfortunately, my mom and step dad did, because my brother recommended it, and he's a doctor. I'm not accredited in any way, I just know about confirmed conspiracies, the damage and lies surrounding vaccines, and the rampant corruption in the medical and pharmaceutical industries. But, I was ignored, and my brother was believed, purely because of his position of "authority" regarding health and medicine. Even more aggravating, is my mom has been anti-vaxx her whole life, knows the dangers of vaccines, and refused to vaccinate all of us as kids, but took the first Covid shot because my brother said so.
Numerous pleas and conversations with my family members, with lots of evidence to back up my claims, all amounted to nothing, because I'm not an "authority". The whole Covid thing really damaged my respect for people I thought knew better, and unfortunately the vaccine acceptance was only one part of that loss of respect.
Has your brother admitted that he was wrong?
My brother isn't a system pig, and distrusts the system a little bit, but he's always been several months, or years, behind me. This was apparent during the Covid stuff, as I told him about the inefficacy of masks, social distancing, where Covid originated, the government manufacture of Covid, the fake PCR tests, that the flu completely disappeared during Covid, that the ventilators were killing people, that vitamin C, vitamin D, hydroxochloroquine and ivermectin were the best treatments of Covid, that Remdesivir was killing people, that hospitals were intentionally killing people to get government Covid money, etc.
My brother initially resisted everything I told him, and then came around several months later on almost all of it. I warned him about the dangers of the vaccines, but he didn't listen. He got it for work, and he convinced several of my family members to get it, even my dad, who I think died due to complications of it during his lung transplant operation (even though I can't be sure, given the other health problems he was dealing with). However, my brother did come around to the stupidity of the Covid vaccines when they started pushing for more and more of them. He, and the rest of my family, only took the initial vaccines, not the subsequent ones. So, I guess that would be his admission to being wrong, but he, nor the rest of my family, ever apologized or recognized the fact that I knew all of this far, far before they did. They still resist me and reject what I tell them on lots of subjects, which is quite disheartening. I'm almost to the point where I won't tell them anything of importance any more, just to maintain my own sanity and mental health. I really love them, though, so it's a difficult decision. It just hurts all the more because they keep rejecting all the things I try to teach and tell them, regarding the corruptions of the world, the things I learn through conspiracy theory forums, the uncomfortable truths that go against the programming they still get, because they still have some blind faith in the system. They're right wing, but what I would describe as "right wing normies", except for two of them (both of them are my brother in laws).