And some of those "rebuttals" are incredibly dense. He responds well though.
"A program that they stole from the United States"
lol
The US government stole billions from Americans to make nukes.
The US government killed the most people in the world in nukes, and this was before Israel was a thing.
I really don't get what any of that has to do with what Ian said.
The approved narrative is quickly becoming that Israel is behind everything evil in the world and specifically in the US and while there is much evil that Israel is responsible for, they are not the entirety of this iceberg.
We are being shown the tip- why?
Firstly...approved narrative? Really?! It's becoming more popular, sure, but still gets you a ton of flack if you say it. Certainly not "approved."
Secondly, again, what does that have to do with anything? "Yes, Israel is evil, but if you call them evil you're focusing on them, and you need to look at other things." I mean, sure, don't just stop there and act like Israel does all the evil...but it's a weird rebuttal as it doesn't address...anything. To be fair, I think this one is a crazy person obsessed with "revolution" in general.
None of that makes Hamas good, which I think was Elon's overall point. Hamas is bad and they are teaching kids to hate. The fact that Isreal is bad too is worth mentioning, but doesn't make Hamas good.
I like all these "Israel is bad is worth mentioning...but stop mentioning" tactics. Ian wasn't saying Hamas was good. A bunch of people talking past each other. Otherwise known as...the internet.
And then some other dude just posts a report from the "Pizzagate" shooting. I guess the implication is Ian is a "conspiracy theorist" and mentally unhinged.
The only rebuttals that halfway addressed the points admitted they were largely correct. Ugh.
My very first interaction with an Israeli person on the internet, back in the late '90s, was a teenager that had a profile with an ASCII star of David and "kill all Palestinians." Not Hamas, not "terrorists," but Palestinians.
Maybe I just got lucky with a 1/1000000 chance, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Israelis mostly hate all of their neighbors as much as a lot of the Jewish people living in the west hate their host nations and their citizens.
Right off the bat, though, the first guy is doing the same thing; dodging...and being wrong.
Reality: AIPAC is one of many lobbying groups in the U.S., no different than the NRA or Big Pharma. Lobbying is legal and common, and representatives vote based on diverse factors.
Massive dodge.
JFK never mentioned AIPAC (which didn’t exist during his life) or any intention to register it as a foreign agent.
The name was changed to AIPAC in '59. And/or they merged previous organizations together; I'm seeing different dates, going back as early as '54. Kennedy died in '63. And, yes, in '62 the Kennedy government was trying to get American Zionist Council to register as foreign agent. There were two or three related organizations; AZC and AZCPA/AIPAC, which were all started and/or ran (although at different times) by the same guy...who used to work for the Israeli government. AZC and AZCPA eventually split for financial/lobbying reasons, and it was the former that they attempted to register, so technically not AIPAC, but the parent organization, and the same people.
So this one is mixed; it wasn't (as far as I can tell) AZCPA/AIPAC that the Kennedy government tried to register, but they were all operating by the same people and for the same purposes, and the name changes and organizational shifting were all very deliberate.
Reality: There’s no credible evidence tying Epstein to Mossad. His connections to Ehud Barak and Les Wexner were personal and business-related, not intelligence-driven. Conspiracies about Mossad are pure speculation.
It's pretty hilarious to "debunk" a claim by saying Epstein only hung around with (pun not intended but kind of funny) massively connected people, but that it wasn't "intelligence-driven." How does this idiot think intelligence/spycraft work? Come on, that's weak as hell.
Ehud Barak is an important Israeli who served at various times as...Prime Minister, Minister of Defense, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Chief of General Staff (head of the IDF.)
As for the other guy..."Awesome Jew" is a notoriously bad faith actor, and an all around terrible individual. Among other things, I believe he's celebrated doxings and deaths of critics of Israel. I don't know if he's actually a Zionist, or someone pretending to be to make Zionists look bad, but his rebuttal is full of nonsense, lies, wild accusations, and more massive dodges.
If by "deplatformed" you mean "deplatformed by falling into a hole he dug in his backyard and unfortunately suffering from two self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the back of the head" then yes I also think jews will kill him.
Never got any answers [on the moving companies] - but you can read the official FBI reports about the incident. I've broken them down live on X before.
If he wasn't taken down before, this might not get him canceled either.
Ian Carroll is a ballsy guy for posting this.
How long before he's deplatformed?
Interesting that Carroll backed RFK Jr & Nicole Shanahan before they pulled out.
RFK is as Zionist as they come.
Of course, at this point, which option isn't?
Probably not since it's nothing Thomas Massie hasn't already said
Nitter link.
And some of those "rebuttals" are incredibly dense. He responds well though.
I really don't get what any of that has to do with what Ian said.
Firstly...approved narrative? Really?! It's becoming more popular, sure, but still gets you a ton of flack if you say it. Certainly not "approved."
Secondly, again, what does that have to do with anything? "Yes, Israel is evil, but if you call them evil you're focusing on them, and you need to look at other things." I mean, sure, don't just stop there and act like Israel does all the evil...but it's a weird rebuttal as it doesn't address...anything. To be fair, I think this one is a crazy person obsessed with "revolution" in general.
I like all these "Israel is bad is worth mentioning...but stop mentioning" tactics. Ian wasn't saying Hamas was good. A bunch of people talking past each other. Otherwise known as...the internet.
And then some other dude just posts a report from the "Pizzagate" shooting. I guess the implication is Ian is a "conspiracy theorist" and mentally unhinged.
The only rebuttals that halfway addressed the points admitted they were largely correct. Ugh.
My very first interaction with an Israeli person on the internet, back in the late '90s, was a teenager that had a profile with an ASCII star of David and "kill all Palestinians." Not Hamas, not "terrorists," but Palestinians.
Maybe I just got lucky with a 1/1000000 chance, but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Israelis mostly hate all of their neighbors as much as a lot of the Jewish people living in the west hate their host nations and their citizens.
jew mindset. two wrongs make a right to them.
There are a couple of more thorough attempts to counter his points. Relevance and accuracy may vary, of course.
One and two.
Fair enough, at least they get into it.
Right off the bat, though, the first guy is doing the same thing; dodging...and being wrong.
Massive dodge.
The name was changed to AIPAC in '59. And/or they merged previous organizations together; I'm seeing different dates, going back as early as '54. Kennedy died in '63. And, yes, in '62 the Kennedy government was trying to get American Zionist Council to register as foreign agent. There were two or three related organizations; AZC and AZCPA/AIPAC, which were all started and/or ran (although at different times) by the same guy...who used to work for the Israeli government. AZC and AZCPA eventually split for financial/lobbying reasons, and it was the former that they attempted to register, so technically not AIPAC, but the parent organization, and the same people.
So this one is mixed; it wasn't (as far as I can tell) AZCPA/AIPAC that the Kennedy government tried to register, but they were all operating by the same people and for the same purposes, and the name changes and organizational shifting were all very deliberate.
It's pretty hilarious to "debunk" a claim by saying Epstein only hung around with (pun not intended but kind of funny) massively connected people, but that it wasn't "intelligence-driven." How does this idiot think intelligence/spycraft work? Come on, that's weak as hell.
Ehud Barak is an important Israeli who served at various times as...Prime Minister, Minister of Defense, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Chief of General Staff (head of the IDF.)
As for the other guy..."Awesome Jew" is a notoriously bad faith actor, and an all around terrible individual. Among other things, I believe he's celebrated doxings and deaths of critics of Israel. I don't know if he's actually a Zionist, or someone pretending to be to make Zionists look bad, but his rebuttal is full of nonsense, lies, wild accusations, and more massive dodges.
If by "deplatformed" you mean "deplatformed by falling into a hole he dug in his backyard and unfortunately suffering from two self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the back of the head" then yes I also think jews will kill him.
If he wasn't taken down before, this might not get him canceled either.
Sir do you have a moment to talk about Pakistan? thick pajeet accent