In regards to what?
Musk has stated a lot of goals which are not inline with the MAGA moment before he joined it and got the money.
His vision of the future is most likely not something you want, but if he sticks to the intended position of only minimizing government spending which he has proven with twitter that he can do somewhat, then he will be a useful tool, it is all up to how Trump uses his tools.
If we're hoping to change the elites, we've basically got Donald Trump, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk, and that's basically where the list ends for "Populist Right elites".
The Culture War isn't over, now is the long war to make our own elites that actually reflect our views and build our institutions.
It's hilarious how much of a boiled frog you are. Musk isn't on the Right and he never has been. He's a life-long ""classical"" liberal and hasn't changed in that regard. Stop viewing politics as a relativist. Just because he's not in line with the modern left does not make him on the right. And the same with Trump. The enemy of my enemy is not in fact my friend. Stop falling for the lie of a "lesser" evil.
The more you operate on reactionary logic like that, the more you will inevitably and unendingly compromise on every value you hold, just like every other republican/conservative over the past century. Todays conservatives are yesterdays democrats, and it has been that way for a very long time. Most conservatives these days are barely even on the Right.
You're operating on the Overton Window. At best, Elon and Trump are centrists.
But it's funny that reading between the lines of what you wrote is just more pro-establishment bullshittery, you just want your own flavour of statism. It's not the authoritarianism that's the issue to you, it's the colour of the banners on the walls.
Sit down and be quiet, you're talking to the wrong person. I've just had to spend two days explaining why Elon Musk wasn't pretending to be a White Nationalist to backpaddling groypers.
I understand you don't know that I'm talking to MetallicBioMeat about Italian Elite Theory because there are elites in society, and that political movements need powerful and influential people on our side; otherwise, even populist revolutions will always die; but it doesn't excuse you from coming to me and giving me the most basic bitch "akshully conservatism is progressives going the speed limit" shit I could have gotten from watching Dave Rubin.
You spent the last couple of days being wrong and getting called out for it, but the fact you think you somehow had the upper hand in any of those exchanges is hilariously delusional.
"No please, I'm actually ahead of you, I'm not the retard, it's all you!!!!!!"
Fuck off Giz, you're a stock standard statist begging for more of the problem. You're literally begging to bend the knee and serve because "we need them".
You're an unironic bootlicker demanding everyone else also turn around and beg the elites for scraps. You're not in front of anyone else, you've just given up and say that everyone else should give up and bend the knee too.
We just need more independently wealthy tycoons period. Not celebrities who get paid for shilling IP, but businessmen who built up an industry. Ironically the balance of power needs to move away from the government and towards elite Americans - but there need to be a lot more of them to diversify their ideological positions. The way the system works now the government and corporations have colluded thru regulation, taxation, and the education system to shrink the pool of home-grown tycoons and make sure they're all part of the same club. The lower the pool, the fewer elites there will be on our side. Unfortunately that's a long term goal. America is too consumer-oriented and doesn't produce enough producers.
You'd need to already have strong social institutions already. They'd basically have to join their civic society group, their recreational group, their neighborhood watch, and probably convert to the local religion. It would be an assimilation so aggressive that they wouldn't see themselves as others. You're still going to get potential rebellions in the 2nd & 3rd generation, but by that time they will either leave of be fully integrated in the 4th generation.
So we need to build the Afrikaners society within the state, without getting too much of a threat so that they go for jugular but also cannot stagnated as the Amish, It ain't easy path to walk.
Hmm, could a secret society be easier and alternative path perhaps? haha
In regards to what? Musk has stated a lot of goals which are not inline with the MAGA moment before he joined it and got the money.
His vision of the future is most likely not something you want, but if he sticks to the intended position of only minimizing government spending which he has proven with twitter that he can do somewhat, then he will be a useful tool, it is all up to how Trump uses his tools.
If we're hoping to change the elites, we've basically got Donald Trump, Peter Thiel, and Elon Musk, and that's basically where the list ends for "Populist Right elites".
The Culture War isn't over, now is the long war to make our own elites that actually reflect our views and build our institutions.
It's hilarious how much of a boiled frog you are. Musk isn't on the Right and he never has been. He's a life-long ""classical"" liberal and hasn't changed in that regard. Stop viewing politics as a relativist. Just because he's not in line with the modern left does not make him on the right. And the same with Trump. The enemy of my enemy is not in fact my friend. Stop falling for the lie of a "lesser" evil.
The more you operate on reactionary logic like that, the more you will inevitably and unendingly compromise on every value you hold, just like every other republican/conservative over the past century. Todays conservatives are yesterdays democrats, and it has been that way for a very long time. Most conservatives these days are barely even on the Right.
You're operating on the Overton Window. At best, Elon and Trump are centrists.
But it's funny that reading between the lines of what you wrote is just more pro-establishment bullshittery, you just want your own flavour of statism. It's not the authoritarianism that's the issue to you, it's the colour of the banners on the walls.
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Careful, he might call you a Fabian Socialist if you keep refuting him. Then he'll really show you!
The irony of calling anyone a Fabian Socialist when he himself is the one being boiled.
Sit down and be quiet, you're talking to the wrong person. I've just had to spend two days explaining why Elon Musk wasn't pretending to be a White Nationalist to backpaddling groypers.
I understand you don't know that I'm talking to MetallicBioMeat about Italian Elite Theory because there are elites in society, and that political movements need powerful and influential people on our side; otherwise, even populist revolutions will always die; but it doesn't excuse you from coming to me and giving me the most basic bitch "akshully conservatism is progressives going the speed limit" shit I could have gotten from watching Dave Rubin.
You're about 5-7 years behind me.
You spent the last couple of days being wrong and getting called out for it, but the fact you think you somehow had the upper hand in any of those exchanges is hilariously delusional.
"No please, I'm actually ahead of you, I'm not the retard, it's all you!!!!!!"
Fuck off Giz, you're a stock standard statist begging for more of the problem. You're literally begging to bend the knee and serve because "we need them".
You're an unironic bootlicker demanding everyone else also turn around and beg the elites for scraps. You're not in front of anyone else, you've just given up and say that everyone else should give up and bend the knee too.
You wouldn't happen to have read "The Populist Delusion" would you?
Yes, we need to mold them and then keep the damn old clubs from getting their kids into the rituals.
The problem is from our standpoint, (atleast acording to me) the methodology on how to do it is quite unclear.
We just need more independently wealthy tycoons period. Not celebrities who get paid for shilling IP, but businessmen who built up an industry. Ironically the balance of power needs to move away from the government and towards elite Americans - but there need to be a lot more of them to diversify their ideological positions. The way the system works now the government and corporations have colluded thru regulation, taxation, and the education system to shrink the pool of home-grown tycoons and make sure they're all part of the same club. The lower the pool, the fewer elites there will be on our side. Unfortunately that's a long term goal. America is too consumer-oriented and doesn't produce enough producers.
We have too much government corporate cooperation to prevent small business from succeeding and protect big business.
You'd need to already have strong social institutions already. They'd basically have to join their civic society group, their recreational group, their neighborhood watch, and probably convert to the local religion. It would be an assimilation so aggressive that they wouldn't see themselves as others. You're still going to get potential rebellions in the 2nd & 3rd generation, but by that time they will either leave of be fully integrated in the 4th generation.
So we need to build the Afrikaners society within the state, without getting too much of a threat so that they go for jugular but also cannot stagnated as the Amish, It ain't easy path to walk.
Hmm, could a secret society be easier and alternative path perhaps? haha