Canon is such a joke. As long as people treat "Owners" as the lorekeepers rather than the creators, it's only going to keep going downhill.
It still blows my mind that some people will admit that certain sequels are garbage and bad, but insist "It still happened though." As though it's not all made up at the end of the day.
Ehh, like I've mentioned to you before, canon is still a useful concept, because anime filler exists (even if for example, the filler in the original Dragon Ball Z show is a lot better than for example, One Piece's filler), and to invoke Dragon Ball again, the only reason that Battle of Gods, Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super were made is because of Toriyama's personal disgust at Dragon Ball Evolution.
For my part I disagree only insofar as "canon" as a concept is always going to be limited to a specific key-holder's choice of continuity.
Outside of that, there's no "canon" for Greek myths, and i find that to be a purer example of human storytelling than the cluster of retardation that Ip law represents.
Broadly it's only purpose is to set your expectations of continuity. Which, is easy. And does not require government enforcement against anybody who tries to play pretend too effectively.
Its not useful to anyone because it can change on a whim. Its also far less sacred than it once was and now people will gladly pick and choose what parts they like, including the actual series owners.
DB is a great example. Super is literal garbage*, so a lot of fans like myself just ignore its existence and keep the prior Canon (that Toriyama retconned). Bardock is still badass, Broly is insane, and Trunks had purple hair and grew up instead of staying a loser Twink forever. We can even slot in Tapion giving Trunks the sword, Garlic Jr. kicking off Z, and Cooler having the better 5th form than Frieza ever could.
Which nobody can complain about it, as Toriyama himself treated his canon as shit and ignored things at a whim, so we can do the same back to him.
*It will never not be ironic to me that he saw an awful adaption of "his series" and it inspired him to ruin his actual series himself so badly that people turned their opinions on GT around. Great guy, but he should have let it stay dead.
Honestly, people need to be willing to cut creators off too, when they go off the deep end and start vandalizing their past work with retcons and sequels.
Canon is such a joke. As long as people treat "Owners" as the lorekeepers rather than the creators, it's only going to keep going downhill.
It still blows my mind that some people will admit that certain sequels are garbage and bad, but insist "It still happened though." As though it's not all made up at the end of the day.
Canon was useful when designating what was the actual show and what was fanfiction being written by a random person.
Once fanfiction became more than just shitty webrings and instead AAA productions by the "owners" of the IP, it became a useless concept.
Ehh, like I've mentioned to you before, canon is still a useful concept, because anime filler exists (even if for example, the filler in the original Dragon Ball Z show is a lot better than for example, One Piece's filler), and to invoke Dragon Ball again, the only reason that Battle of Gods, Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super were made is because of Toriyama's personal disgust at Dragon Ball Evolution.
...Why must you invoke the name of That Which Does Not Exist And Never Did!?!
What are you talking about?
For my part I disagree only insofar as "canon" as a concept is always going to be limited to a specific key-holder's choice of continuity.
Outside of that, there's no "canon" for Greek myths, and i find that to be a purer example of human storytelling than the cluster of retardation that Ip law represents.
Broadly it's only purpose is to set your expectations of continuity. Which, is easy. And does not require government enforcement against anybody who tries to play pretend too effectively.
Its not useful to anyone because it can change on a whim. Its also far less sacred than it once was and now people will gladly pick and choose what parts they like, including the actual series owners.
DB is a great example. Super is literal garbage*, so a lot of fans like myself just ignore its existence and keep the prior Canon (that Toriyama retconned). Bardock is still badass, Broly is insane, and Trunks had purple hair and grew up instead of staying a loser Twink forever. We can even slot in Tapion giving Trunks the sword, Garlic Jr. kicking off Z, and Cooler having the better 5th form than Frieza ever could.
Which nobody can complain about it, as Toriyama himself treated his canon as shit and ignored things at a whim, so we can do the same back to him.
*It will never not be ironic to me that he saw an awful adaption of "his series" and it inspired him to ruin his actual series himself so badly that people turned their opinions on GT around. Great guy, but he should have let it stay dead.
What did they do to bardock?
It's all Dante, all the time. Just less ability and love for the subject.
Thank you for succinctly putting in to words the beef I've got with most of western media.
Honestly, people need to be willing to cut creators off too, when they go off the deep end and start vandalizing their past work with retcons and sequels.
Maybe we should go back to art only having value after the creator is dead?