I mean, that's been obvious for a long time but let's not pretend the Right isn't growing more extreme in response.
10+ years ago you couldn't even talk about Repealing the 19th, now its a popular talking point in some circles and you can joke about it pretty openly with most people on the Right (if women aren't in the room). I talk about it with the fucking normies at my job because of how casual and popular the idea is becoming.
Same with how that long ago most people on the Right still believed you could have blacks and gays around and be fine, no real upset unless it was really over the top or badly done. Now if a black character exists in a game, people might get pissed about it.
On and on, on almost every issue the Right wing general belief is growing further Right too.
This isn't to say this growing extremity is wrong in the slightest, I'd argue its the way it should have always been on a lot of things and a lot of it is in direct response to the Left doing it first. But we are currently in a point of such polarization that we cannot ever hope for peace because a compromise point would be so far Left/Right of each side's belief it would be madness.
Being able to have votes is a relatively new idea relative to civilizations of man. Allowing children (women) to vote is even more new, just a few decades.
Extreme is always relative to the recent medians in the current nation. Usually just like the last three overlapping generations that make up the majority of the voting base, so Gen X, Millenial and recently Z.
Its extreme to not murder babies in a lot of places historically speaking, but I still think abortion at the level it is would be considered quite extreme to the Left to most people here. Same with not being taxed for all of your income constantly being a pretty extreme position if we call it relative to all of history.
In this case, letting women vote was extreme at the time. But it became normalized enough that people didn't think anything of it beyond simply being the state of things. For people to know want to remove it entirely and discuss it casually is a growing extreme position.
The points you bring up are why I have a hard time believing that the "Republican political elites and influencers" are further to the right than right wing voters as shown in the upper right graphs. We are dragging them to the right, not the other way around.
I agree, the Repub elite & influencers are big on the status quo. Like the left's were until recently. They won't budge very far in either direction on their own, they need a swift kick to get them moving. Hopefully a few kicks to the right will have a lasting effect.
Yeah I never feel even remotely "represented" by a single one of these talking heads or leaders on the Right. Half the time they feel like Left Wingers to me with how weak their positions are.
The only thing they ever feel more Extreme Right about is either how anti-Jew they are or just their Extremism meaning "is retarded about it on a level they can't think of natural consequences."
I'd resist your assessment. I haven't seen such commentary in real life. I don't say anything here that I don't say at work, but I do hide my power-level. I'm probably the single most right-wing person I know, including among Libertarians, and "staunch conservatives". I live and work in places that are more right-wing than the normal. The only time it's different is when I'm with the old War Boomers and they start ranting about "queers and gooks". When I talk to them, it is difficult to explain the Culture War, because they literally do not know the difference between a gay man, a tranny, and a queer. I mean this very literally. I knew a man who kept referring to a gay man with a husband as a tranny, and he was just a gay guy. They are more rightward than me, but they also don't really interact with the general public any more and are retired. Their positions aren't any different than what they believed in 1978.
Now if a black character exists in a game, people might get pissed about it.
They're only getting pissed about it because it's an obvious indicator of injected DEI propaganda, not anything else.
I don't say anything here that I don't say at work, but I do hide my power-level.
I've been a staunch misogynist for decades and an in and out racist for half of that. Hiding my power level is the default state I have to live in to the point where I must literally lie to respond to normal conversations*. If I could talk like I do here out loud, I'd probably have ended up less extreme myself.
Which is why I know the Right is becoming more extreme. Because I am becoming more normalized in speaking. Things I used to dare not say I can now say if I word it carefully and have little controversy.
*I'm a big fan of using nonsensical conspiracies that have no political side and selling them as real. Like birds not being real or voting for Vermin Supreme. Works very well.
I live and work in places that are more right-wing than the normal.
And I in a very purple area where the large rich white woman, college student, and illegal Mexican populations keep the rest of us from getting too uppity. Which makes the shift that much more notable.
Obviously not everyone is growing more extreme, but extremist positions are becoming more the norm. Whether that's because people are changing or just because they feel comfortable being honest now is hard to say. But the Right as a whole is more extreme now than it has been in decades.
1978 was almost 50 years ago, anyone who was old enough to have opinions then is now quite old.
They're only getting pissed about it because it's an obvious indicator of injected DEI propaganda, not anything else.
Ah see, but it isn't. That's the trap there. Its a correlation and a strong one at that, so you could make the assumption and probably be right. But it isn't always the case, and to assume so everytime is in fact the growing extremism.
Nobody was losing their shit about Sergeant Johnson from Halo, in fact he is still one of the most beloved characters in video games period. If he was revealed today, he would absolutely be lambasted as "another black badass, DEI bullshit" despite having little to indicate such other than "existing while black."
Now, are something like 95% of blacks in media being used for DEI purposes? Give or take yeah, and you'd be right to hate it offhand given those numbers. But that is a sign of growing extremism and its unfortunate consequence, which is brainkilling yourself to treat politics as the point you work backwards from in response to all stimuli, is becoming a growing problem as well.
To use your favorite topic, its why people can only respond in /pol/ memes and buzzwords like "humiliation ritual" rather than articulate the issue they have with the Jewish position regardless on if they have a correct point or not on it.
I in a very purple area where the large rich white woman, college student, and illegal Mexican populations keep the rest of us from getting too uppity.
This might more sense in your environment as there is no pressure pushing the right to be more extreme, but people who live with the Left every day might become reactionary. I'd bet that's what you're really seeing.
1978 was almost 50 years ago, anyone who was old enough to have opinions then is now quite old.
Yeah, but we still talk.
If he was revealed today, he would absolutely be lambasted as "another black badass, DEI bullshit" despite having little to indicate such other than "existing while black."
I don't believe that at all, he's not a Negro National Socialism Symbol like that. He's a angry, comical, hard-ass Marine symbol. This is because despite being the last branch to end segregation, they were one of the first branches to have the senior enlisted and senior officer ranks populated by meritoriously promoted black personelle. Normally, they were the most hard-ass of the men around them, and it became a cultural trope.
NNSS does not act like other black characters. There's always some narrative of racialist meta-history that needs to be identified. Whereas most normal black characters are interesting characters, that happen to have a darker pigment. The problem is that black women are almost universally being used as an NNSS, because the trope of the angry, empowered, afro-haired, black woman fighting against oppression is a symbol that they organically built for themselves in the 1970's Days of Rage.
Like I said, I think it's mere conditioning to seeing another forced injection of DEI, but anyone who would spend a minute around the character would challenge that assumption, and cause it to be dropped. I've see that come up a few times as well.
To use your favorite topic, its why people can only respond in /pol/ memes and buzzwords like "humiliation ritual" rather than articulate the issue they have with the Jewish position regardless on if they have a correct point or not on it.
My favorite topics are military history, physics, astronomy, and video games. Not jewry. As such, I'm actually not clear on what you mean here, but I think you're saying that people do things like echo-posts even if they can't articulate an idea.
For anti-jew memes, it's mostly just the laziness of retarded ideology built on motivated reasoning and resentment mongering. There's not actually an idea behind it. Just vibes. Saying the idea out loud makes it sound retarded. For comparison, Feminism has to be reframed as "believing women are human" in order to avoid saying, "All family and interpersonal relationships are corrupted by Capitalism which has made all women in all of history into mere breeding slaves. Not only should families be destroyed, but also children and infants should be destroyed in order to liberate women from the oppression of their loved ones placed on them by Capitalism." That would be fucking crazy, but it's exactly what Bell Hooks says. National Socialism is just as stupid, but most jew-hatred ends up being even less literate.
there is no pressure pushing the right to be more extreme
I don't know how you got that from what I said. We have screeching harpies constantly protesting around town, often times with their professors giving them extra credit for doing so. We have floods of Mexicans constantly destroying our job market, job performances and basically everything else. I've personally had entire departments at a prior job shuttered to replace it with Mexican slave labor (300$ a month to work 7 days a week, 6 hours a day).
The pressures to be more extreme were unignorable because the effects were felt daily and directly in a way that a "more right wing than normal" area will lack to the same amounts.
Like I said, I think it's mere conditioning to seeing another forced injection of DEI, but anyone who would spend a minute around the character would challenge that assumption, and cause it to be dropped.
Then we are saying the same exact thing. I simply don't think the majority of people put in the time or effort to spend a minute thinking or challenging it. They simply say "woke shit" and put in no further thought, and condition themselves to that 1-2 thought process rather than a learned response based on critical thinking proven consistently right.
They've cut the middleman out and left themselves unable to actually deal with something that does not conform to their preconceived notions, and in that they are extreme because they lack the ability to take a position beyond the most polar ends.
I'm actually not clear on what you mean here
Its a topic you get into the most arguments about, with the exact type of people I'm describing here. Those who, right or not, have conditioned themselves to extremities. Some in response to the Left (or whoever)'s extremism, others due to finally feeling comfortable letting their true beliefs out and are now overcompensating.
Regardless of anything, the Right as a whole has its average belief more extreme (as in, further to the Right) than it has been in the decades prior. Which is my original point.
I did, but that was shitposting online. People also said nigger constantly in those same conversations, and heck most of the time they didn't even mean it to attack black people but to just generally offend and shock.
Now the word nigger is absolutely using that hard R if someone says it, and I can talk about women voting with a dude I barely know at a social gathering.
I've been a Right wing extremist longer than most people here have been alive. I was in fact saying nigger then without much hate and I say it now with absolute hate in my heart.
I mean, that's been obvious for a long time but let's not pretend the Right isn't growing more extreme in response.
10+ years ago you couldn't even talk about Repealing the 19th, now its a popular talking point in some circles and you can joke about it pretty openly with most people on the Right (if women aren't in the room). I talk about it with the fucking normies at my job because of how casual and popular the idea is becoming.
Same with how that long ago most people on the Right still believed you could have blacks and gays around and be fine, no real upset unless it was really over the top or badly done. Now if a black character exists in a game, people might get pissed about it.
On and on, on almost every issue the Right wing general belief is growing further Right too.
This isn't to say this growing extremity is wrong in the slightest, I'd argue its the way it should have always been on a lot of things and a lot of it is in direct response to the Left doing it first. But we are currently in a point of such polarization that we cannot ever hope for peace because a compromise point would be so far Left/Right of each side's belief it would be madness.
Is "repealing the 19th" extreme or is Women having voting rights the "extreme" position historically speaking?
Anyone having voting rights is the extreme position.
Being able to have votes is a relatively new idea relative to civilizations of man. Allowing children (women) to vote is even more new, just a few decades.
Extreme is always relative to the recent medians in the current nation. Usually just like the last three overlapping generations that make up the majority of the voting base, so Gen X, Millenial and recently Z.
Its extreme to not murder babies in a lot of places historically speaking, but I still think abortion at the level it is would be considered quite extreme to the Left to most people here. Same with not being taxed for all of your income constantly being a pretty extreme position if we call it relative to all of history.
In this case, letting women vote was extreme at the time. But it became normalized enough that people didn't think anything of it beyond simply being the state of things. For people to know want to remove it entirely and discuss it casually is a growing extreme position.
The points you bring up are why I have a hard time believing that the "Republican political elites and influencers" are further to the right than right wing voters as shown in the upper right graphs. We are dragging them to the right, not the other way around.
I agree, the Repub elite & influencers are big on the status quo. Like the left's were until recently. They won't budge very far in either direction on their own, they need a swift kick to get them moving. Hopefully a few kicks to the right will have a lasting effect.
Yeah I never feel even remotely "represented" by a single one of these talking heads or leaders on the Right. Half the time they feel like Left Wingers to me with how weak their positions are.
The only thing they ever feel more Extreme Right about is either how anti-Jew they are or just their Extremism meaning "is retarded about it on a level they can't think of natural consequences."
I'd resist your assessment. I haven't seen such commentary in real life. I don't say anything here that I don't say at work, but I do hide my power-level. I'm probably the single most right-wing person I know, including among Libertarians, and "staunch conservatives". I live and work in places that are more right-wing than the normal. The only time it's different is when I'm with the old War Boomers and they start ranting about "queers and gooks". When I talk to them, it is difficult to explain the Culture War, because they literally do not know the difference between a gay man, a tranny, and a queer. I mean this very literally. I knew a man who kept referring to a gay man with a husband as a tranny, and he was just a gay guy. They are more rightward than me, but they also don't really interact with the general public any more and are retired. Their positions aren't any different than what they believed in 1978.
They're only getting pissed about it because it's an obvious indicator of injected DEI propaganda, not anything else.
I've been a staunch misogynist for decades and an in and out racist for half of that. Hiding my power level is the default state I have to live in to the point where I must literally lie to respond to normal conversations*. If I could talk like I do here out loud, I'd probably have ended up less extreme myself.
Which is why I know the Right is becoming more extreme. Because I am becoming more normalized in speaking. Things I used to dare not say I can now say if I word it carefully and have little controversy.
*I'm a big fan of using nonsensical conspiracies that have no political side and selling them as real. Like birds not being real or voting for Vermin Supreme. Works very well.
And I in a very purple area where the large rich white woman, college student, and illegal Mexican populations keep the rest of us from getting too uppity. Which makes the shift that much more notable.
Obviously not everyone is growing more extreme, but extremist positions are becoming more the norm. Whether that's because people are changing or just because they feel comfortable being honest now is hard to say. But the Right as a whole is more extreme now than it has been in decades.
1978 was almost 50 years ago, anyone who was old enough to have opinions then is now quite old.
Ah see, but it isn't. That's the trap there. Its a correlation and a strong one at that, so you could make the assumption and probably be right. But it isn't always the case, and to assume so everytime is in fact the growing extremism.
Nobody was losing their shit about Sergeant Johnson from Halo, in fact he is still one of the most beloved characters in video games period. If he was revealed today, he would absolutely be lambasted as "another black badass, DEI bullshit" despite having little to indicate such other than "existing while black."
Now, are something like 95% of blacks in media being used for DEI purposes? Give or take yeah, and you'd be right to hate it offhand given those numbers. But that is a sign of growing extremism and its unfortunate consequence, which is brainkilling yourself to treat politics as the point you work backwards from in response to all stimuli, is becoming a growing problem as well.
To use your favorite topic, its why people can only respond in /pol/ memes and buzzwords like "humiliation ritual" rather than articulate the issue they have with the Jewish position regardless on if they have a correct point or not on it.
This might more sense in your environment as there is no pressure pushing the right to be more extreme, but people who live with the Left every day might become reactionary. I'd bet that's what you're really seeing.
Yeah, but we still talk.
I don't believe that at all, he's not a Negro National Socialism Symbol like that. He's a angry, comical, hard-ass Marine symbol. This is because despite being the last branch to end segregation, they were one of the first branches to have the senior enlisted and senior officer ranks populated by meritoriously promoted black personelle. Normally, they were the most hard-ass of the men around them, and it became a cultural trope.
NNSS does not act like other black characters. There's always some narrative of racialist meta-history that needs to be identified. Whereas most normal black characters are interesting characters, that happen to have a darker pigment. The problem is that black women are almost universally being used as an NNSS, because the trope of the angry, empowered, afro-haired, black woman fighting against oppression is a symbol that they organically built for themselves in the 1970's Days of Rage.
Like I said, I think it's mere conditioning to seeing another forced injection of DEI, but anyone who would spend a minute around the character would challenge that assumption, and cause it to be dropped. I've see that come up a few times as well.
My favorite topics are military history, physics, astronomy, and video games. Not jewry. As such, I'm actually not clear on what you mean here, but I think you're saying that people do things like echo-posts even if they can't articulate an idea.
For anti-jew memes, it's mostly just the laziness of retarded ideology built on motivated reasoning and resentment mongering. There's not actually an idea behind it. Just vibes. Saying the idea out loud makes it sound retarded. For comparison, Feminism has to be reframed as "believing women are human" in order to avoid saying, "All family and interpersonal relationships are corrupted by Capitalism which has made all women in all of history into mere breeding slaves. Not only should families be destroyed, but also children and infants should be destroyed in order to liberate women from the oppression of their loved ones placed on them by Capitalism." That would be fucking crazy, but it's exactly what Bell Hooks says. National Socialism is just as stupid, but most jew-hatred ends up being even less literate.
I don't know how you got that from what I said. We have screeching harpies constantly protesting around town, often times with their professors giving them extra credit for doing so. We have floods of Mexicans constantly destroying our job market, job performances and basically everything else. I've personally had entire departments at a prior job shuttered to replace it with Mexican slave labor (300$ a month to work 7 days a week, 6 hours a day).
The pressures to be more extreme were unignorable because the effects were felt daily and directly in a way that a "more right wing than normal" area will lack to the same amounts.
Then we are saying the same exact thing. I simply don't think the majority of people put in the time or effort to spend a minute thinking or challenging it. They simply say "woke shit" and put in no further thought, and condition themselves to that 1-2 thought process rather than a learned response based on critical thinking proven consistently right.
They've cut the middleman out and left themselves unable to actually deal with something that does not conform to their preconceived notions, and in that they are extreme because they lack the ability to take a position beyond the most polar ends.
Its a topic you get into the most arguments about, with the exact type of people I'm describing here. Those who, right or not, have conditioned themselves to extremities. Some in response to the Left (or whoever)'s extremism, others due to finally feeling comfortable letting their true beliefs out and are now overcompensating.
Regardless of anything, the Right as a whole has its average belief more extreme (as in, further to the Right) than it has been in the decades prior. Which is my original point.
Did you ever play video games back in the day? 20 years ago those things you mentioned were common in voice and text chat.
I don't think the right is becoming more extreme, but reverting to the 'mean'.
Hopefully in both senses.
I did, but that was shitposting online. People also said nigger constantly in those same conversations, and heck most of the time they didn't even mean it to attack black people but to just generally offend and shock.
Now the word nigger is absolutely using that hard R if someone says it, and I can talk about women voting with a dude I barely know at a social gathering.
Were you considered on the right back then? Because that was certainly the impression lefties had of the right twenty years ago.
I've been a Right wing extremist longer than most people here have been alive. I was in fact saying nigger then without much hate and I say it now with absolute hate in my heart.