Unironically, Trump is going to lose
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he won't lose, he will just """""lose"""""
The odds are still in Trump's favor. I think it's gonna be stolen.
Trump losing really should break the spell over all the "VOOOOT HARDER" people. If Trump loses, realistically, people should understand that they'll never fix their country by voting. However, I imagine that won't happen. I saw what happened after 2020 and how quickly all the same people who said the election was rigged said don't worry we'll vote our way to victory in 2024. I think Trump will win simply because it keeps everyone locked and loaded into the democratic system. The MAGA crew think they've saved the Empire while the leftists will chalk up losing to ever White men that voted Trump and how Kamala wasn't truly that great given the whole process by which she became the frontrunner. Then an amazing Democrat candidate comes around next election and wins. The cycle continues. Nothing changes. Americans don't realize that voting will never save them.
I don't think Trump will lose only because I think this runs the risk of people not believing in the democratic system, though I don't think it really matters what happens because in the end no one is going to do anything anyway.
I will admit to fully abandoning my trust in it if he's cheated again. I think people gave 2020 a "freebie" because they saw how insane Trump made the Left, and the circumstances around that election were fucked up with all the mail-in voting that happened. They expected the system to correct itself because they still had trust in it, and that clearly didn't happen. The foundation of belief has been thoroughly compromised.
The only thing left to do after voting is massive violence and rebellion, and there will certainly be zero discussion of that here since Dom will drop a hammer on it faster than you can say "fuck jannies."
Violence is a leftist quality fren. We must turn the other cheek and pray. God always wins! /s
You idiot. People don't make that argument for moral reasons, but for reasons of effectiveness. And that is why glowie retards like you try to persuade people to be violent, so that they can be arrested and your handlers have even more of an excuse to crack down on Trump supporters.
Speaking purely hypothetically, violence only works when there is a critical mass of people. You declaring a revolution from your back yard is going to do... precisely nothing.
You don't get a critical mass of people if everyone is scared of using violence. That's why many people encourage violence before the critical mass to try to get a critical mass. No one suggests standing on a hill by themselves but you're never going to get a hill full of people of not one person is willing to stand on the hill. Though, to be fair, you only get a critical mass of people when there's no food, water and electricity. Or if the government is involved.
Yes, you do, dummy. Because a glowie retard federal agent like you will bait someone into using violence. There will be a giant crackdown on him and everyone else who supports Trump. Then people will be even more scared than before. In the aftermath of Jan 6, Trump supporters were saying not even to protest because it is a trap. Now that is real fear.
Feds are not people.
Purely hypothetically, in a parallel universe where the place I live was actually oppressive rather than free, democratic and all that, I would be willing to stand on a hill. What I would not be willing to do in that case, is lose everything with zero chance of improvement, and 100% chance of deterioration.
I'm not sure, but probably true.
Oh, so we're good.
I'm just saying historically whenever there's a violent revolution there's usually rich people from the government involved. That's usually because they'll have the resources to be able to make a real stand on a hill and then people will follow along with being able to promote enough propaganda to get significant support.
The peasant classes rarely if ever have risen up entirely on their own unless it was a matter of life or death.
But also, it's rare for radical changes to occur in government without the use of force. The use of force doesn't necessarily need to mean significant violence but the threat of it can be enough as well like when militaries execute coups, they can often be minimal in the amount of violence used.
Your only example is the American revolution. Division in ruling circles is more important.
Peasant revolts were very common, but they were small-scale rather than large scale. It was "keep your hands off us" rather than "we're going to change the central government all the way in Paris".
Use of force can be, from the perspective of the would-be revolutionary, productive or counterproductive. Were I in their position, I would focus on mobilizing discontent, attempting every peaceful avenue (in order to ensure that blame is pinned on the other side, both to fracture the ruling class as well as to bring along your own moderates), and only then, seemingly or actually reluctantly, use the minimum necessary amount of force as a last resort - or even better, use force in response to unjustified force initiated by the other side.
The American revolutionaries were actually quite clever in this. Their slogan was 'no taxation without representation'. This was a slogan many could get behind. But the radicals had no intention of actually accepting representation in Parliament, because they thought or at least argued that they could not be represented so far away. The obstreperousness of the British government prevented a fracture between the moderates and the radicals.
If you want change, step 1 is to do no harm.
Excellent analysis.
However, they don’t care if you believe in the system or not anymore.
Well, he won, so.
Exactly. So 4 more years. Nothing changes. Everyone thinks voting will save them. It won't. Game over.
Strap up then.
You won't even do the bare minimum to participate in the political process, you sure as shit won't be doing anything more difficult.
The theatre you mean? I don't like humiliating myself by voting.
I won't do anything. It's already game over. I'm just enjoying the decline as best I can.
You're a bitter leftist at heart.
This is my entertainment. I'm warning you now so I can be right over the next 4 years. I enjoy being right. And if I'm proven wrong, that's even better!
You were proven wrong this year dude, you just pretend that you're not by constantly saying "it worked this time, but won't next time!"
That's what the leftists do.
What will happen is that the GOP will persuade most people that Trump is electoral poison, and that if they want to win, they need to nominate Nikki Haley types.
We don't need glowies like you trying to persuade people to make Trump lose. Of course 'the electoral process' isn't going to fix anything. It's one of many instruments that you can use in a repressive autocracy. And no, there is a reason the tactics of YOLO glowie retards are never successful.
They’re going to steal it again.