I like the idea that its bad because it would let Russia have influence on the EU itself, when it was literally earlier this week that the UK sent hundreds of people to the US to influence our election.
I did enjoy the comment down there that people who don't meet like 80% support for the EU shouldn't be allowed to join. Imagine if we could just deny citizenship to people who weren't at least 80% pro-our country, everyone in that comment section would be deported.
Globalism doesn't thrive on numbers, it thrives on control and manipulation. The sociopathic cabal is extremely practiced at taking control of power structures and expanding them. This is why the solution is limiting government and rigorously defending and securing those limitations, to prevent leftists from having power to wield.
Leftism is like the flood, from halo. The only solution is to starve it of what it needs to grow.
If we're pragmatic about it Moldova joining the EU isn't worth it(even if you exclude Russia not approving it and troonistria chimping out) since most Moldovans have Romanian citizenship too and get all the EU perks the average Radu(mainly free movement to the western EU countries) gets with none of the drawbacks.
I’m interested in how that works - is it much like how NIrish residents can get it through having had previous generations of relatives in the Republic..?
Which raises interesting points in places where this doesn’t apply (such as ethnic Croats in Bosnia, for example)…
But I suppose we can’t possibly expect them to apply the same rules everywhere. Tis an interesting thought experiment, though…
I don’t even know how Cyprus manages that (presumably they’re just not in Schengen?), let alone all these other cases…
I’m interested in how that works - is it much like how NIrish residents can get it through having had previous generations of relatives in the Republic..?
If you can prove your ancestors(up to great-grandparents, or grandparents if they willingly relinquished it) had Romanian citizenship(which during the inter-war period, also meant being born in today's Moldova, some parts of Ukraine and Bulgaria) you're entitled to regain it. Though given the soviets' efforts to russify the region a sizeable chunk of the population is not eligible.
I don’t even know how Cyprus manages that (presumably they’re just not in Schengen?),
Cypurs is not in schengen and until the Northern Cyprus dispute ends probably never will. Not sure about how cypriot citizenship works in that circumstance, if it's more like Romania or more like the baltics(where russian minorities who didn't go through naturalization are granted non-citizen passports that bars them from any EU rights they might be entitled to if they had full citizenship).
I have some semi-educated thoughts on this (yes, hello, I’m still alive) and literally no one around me cares, nor does the Australia media, it seems, so please allow me to indulge myself for a minute…
Moldova, much like Ukraine and the Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, et al) has suffered a serious identity crisis ever since the USSR fell, arguably owing to linguistic/cultural tensions that go back way before that.
In general, the push and pull has been between the pro-Russian camp (Transnistria and its allies ) and the supposedly pro-European but really pro-Romanian faction.
And I don’t say that lightly. Because what is interesting is that, unlike say Ukraine (where Russian is being erased and replaced by Ukrainian), the pro-“European” camp would quite literally be happy to erase their own country, if it was politically tenable.
They’ve already done this by removing any references to a separate Moldovan language/dialect, and even by demanding that Ukraine deprecate Moldovan (because there is a sizable Moldovan minority in Ukraine) in favour of “Romanian”.
That latter point has really only happened since Sandhu and Zelenskyy both took office.
This comes after they deprecated the Cyrillic script (historically the main writing script in Moldova, which resulted in the destruction of previous “elites”, exactly as Ataturk did in Turkey) soon after independence.
On Reddit, the Moldovan sub is dominated by Anglos, despite the vast, vast majority of locals there not speaking any English. They constantly shit on the “country hicks” (using the equivalent slur) for not voting as they are told, and wanting to retain things like the Cyrillic script, and references to a Moldovan linguistic and cultural identity.
And that’s where it gets really interesting: none of these pro-Romanian policies have popular support. None of them. From extinguishing the Moldovan identity to changing the script to even unifying with Romania in the future. But you wouldn’t know that from listening to Sandhu speak. Or from reading Wikipedia or Reddit. And hell, even their Eurovision entry a couple of years back was pushing this weird “pan-Romanian” idea, and selling that their is no real, measurable difference between Chișinău and Bucharest. Which is odd, considering that even in the days of Dragostea Din Tei (written in Romanian, by a Moldova group living in Romania) no one would have dared to claim that…
That is the context of this referendum, which she barely got over the line, and of the runoff presidential elections there: an extremely pro-Romanian globalist who the media pretends is “liberal and pro-EU”, vs the so-called “backward conservatives” who apparently only exist in rural areas, and are “bought out” or “brainwashed” by Russian propaganda.
It ain’t great. And shit, I say all this as a Europhile and supporter of both Ukrainian and Moldovan independence.
Something about all this, ever since Sandhu got in and became “popular” in the West, just ain’t right.
But, much like with the Voice Ref in Aus last year, I don’t hold my breath for either Wiki, or Reddit, to acknowledge that.
TL;dr she’s a pro-Romanian globalist, and this is all much more murky and complicated than most sources are making it out to be…
Good analysis. I'm not going to claim perfect knowledge of eastern European history, but I know Stalin used ethnic divides to keep control. Favor this ethnic group a little and suddenly the other one wants favors and is willing to bend over.
It keeps showing up so I nicknamed it Stalin's Divide.
Romania is very corrupt. Moldova, I believe, is more so. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the criminal entities there are cross-border, plus probably the politicians are in cahoots (kick backs, etc.)
But it’s also some sort of historical revisionist thing, i.e. “Moldova was always historically part of Romania, and only split off by the Soviets to serve Russian interests.”
Which is only partly historically true, and is, almost to a tee, very much the same argument Putin uses to justify Ukrainian-Russian “brotherhood”…
Which is… Ironic.
There’s also the desire to destroy anything from the Soviet era (such as the writing system, political structures, old textbooks, etc.), so I guess this plays into that…
Which is kind of what Ukraine has done as well, albeit replacing Russian things with their Ukrainian equivalent…
It’s all very stupid.
I suppose though, to give them their due, it’s a bit like East Germany, in that Moldova is poor, and barely produces anything of large-scale economic value (except wine, lol), so it’s in the economic self-interest of the elites to merge with the larger, less-poor, EU-member “mother country”…
However the majority of ordinary people do not want this merger, and unlike the 90s, with the breakup of Czechoslovakia (also an elite project with limited popular support), I don’t see this one being quite as easy to ram through…
Edit: it’s worth noting that Moldova is effectively land-locked, and only has one port that is capable of handling large ships. Whereas Romania (which wants to buy said Moldovan Port, because of course they do)… Is not.
All of which suggests to me that Romania is almost certainly manipulating large parts of this, a bit like Bulgaria (yes, really) does with (North) Macedonia, for similar reasons…
It's def Romanian gov that is meddling. The big business in Romania, wants the cheaper labor of the Moldovans. RO has been outsourced a lot of labor from the west (call centers, auto manufacture, remote quality assurance), so salaries have steadily climbed. The same phenom that is happening in parts of India. All of a sudden you have a group with money that disrupts the surrounding local 'poors'
The big business in Romania, wants the cheaper labor of the Moldovans
This argument doesn't make much sense once you go to any big romanian city and see them filled with jeets doing food delivery and other service jobs(the only thing missing is them reconnecting with their lost "brothers" and getting into the euronigger trade). And it's not even going full force yet because businesses haven't reached the 100k/year limit for non-EU sla.. ahem workers, so I can see it become a LOT worse.
I like the idea that its bad because it would let Russia have influence on the EU itself, when it was literally earlier this week that the UK sent hundreds of people to the US to influence our election.
I did enjoy the comment down there that people who don't meet like 80% support for the EU shouldn't be allowed to join. Imagine if we could just deny citizenship to people who weren't at least 80% pro-our country, everyone in that comment section would be deported.
The only reason globalism thrives is because 20% of every country is more than 80% of any one country.
Globalism doesn't thrive on numbers, it thrives on control and manipulation. The sociopathic cabal is extremely practiced at taking control of power structures and expanding them. This is why the solution is limiting government and rigorously defending and securing those limitations, to prevent leftists from having power to wield.
Leftism is like the flood, from halo. The only solution is to starve it of what it needs to grow.
I lke this logic. please have the EU remove all the members that have less than 80% support.
Moldova needs Russian energy and commodities more than they need Euro funbucks.
But what about all those retarded EU policies? They're gonna miss out on them too!
I can't fathom how they can live without standardized cucumbers
And what about the permanently attached plastic bottle caps?
It will pay with Euros or else it gets the Deviants. Actually, it gets the Deviants anyways.
And migrants, which is now part of the package and more than cancels out any gibs or trades the EU lures you in with.
If we're pragmatic about it Moldova joining the EU isn't worth it(even if you exclude Russia not approving it and troonistria chimping out) since most Moldovans have Romanian citizenship too and get all the EU perks the average Radu(mainly free movement to the western EU countries) gets with none of the drawbacks.
I’m interested in how that works - is it much like how NIrish residents can get it through having had previous generations of relatives in the Republic..?
Which raises interesting points in places where this doesn’t apply (such as ethnic Croats in Bosnia, for example)…
But I suppose we can’t possibly expect them to apply the same rules everywhere. Tis an interesting thought experiment, though…
I don’t even know how Cyprus manages that (presumably they’re just not in Schengen?), let alone all these other cases…
If you can prove your ancestors(up to great-grandparents, or grandparents if they willingly relinquished it) had Romanian citizenship(which during the inter-war period, also meant being born in today's Moldova, some parts of Ukraine and Bulgaria) you're entitled to regain it. Though given the soviets' efforts to russify the region a sizeable chunk of the population is not eligible.
Cypurs is not in schengen and until the Northern Cyprus dispute ends probably never will. Not sure about how cypriot citizenship works in that circumstance, if it's more like Romania or more like the baltics(where russian minorities who didn't go through naturalization are granted non-citizen passports that bars them from any EU rights they might be entitled to if they had full citizenship).
Huh, TIL!
I didn’t know any of that (I should have, about Cyprus at least, but I didn’t). Thanks!
All very complicated…
The Soviets’ tendency to move ethnic groups around at will obviously contributes to that…
I guess what you say about the Baltics applies also to the Russkies that stayed in Poland, East Germany, etc., after 1991..?
Honestly, this is all definitely interesting, but I guess I haven’t thought about it in detail before…
The only Russians I met in Sweden presumably had citizenship (as they owned property), lol.
Are you Romanian then? Definitely an interesting part of the world!
I have some semi-educated thoughts on this (yes, hello, I’m still alive) and literally no one around me cares, nor does the Australia media, it seems, so please allow me to indulge myself for a minute…
Moldova, much like Ukraine and the Caucasus (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, et al) has suffered a serious identity crisis ever since the USSR fell, arguably owing to linguistic/cultural tensions that go back way before that.
In general, the push and pull has been between the pro-Russian camp (Transnistria and its allies ) and the supposedly pro-European but really pro-Romanian faction.
And I don’t say that lightly. Because what is interesting is that, unlike say Ukraine (where Russian is being erased and replaced by Ukrainian), the pro-“European” camp would quite literally be happy to erase their own country, if it was politically tenable.
They’ve already done this by removing any references to a separate Moldovan language/dialect, and even by demanding that Ukraine deprecate Moldovan (because there is a sizable Moldovan minority in Ukraine) in favour of “Romanian”.
That latter point has really only happened since Sandhu and Zelenskyy both took office.
This comes after they deprecated the Cyrillic script (historically the main writing script in Moldova, which resulted in the destruction of previous “elites”, exactly as Ataturk did in Turkey) soon after independence.
On Reddit, the Moldovan sub is dominated by Anglos, despite the vast, vast majority of locals there not speaking any English. They constantly shit on the “country hicks” (using the equivalent slur) for not voting as they are told, and wanting to retain things like the Cyrillic script, and references to a Moldovan linguistic and cultural identity.
And that’s where it gets really interesting: none of these pro-Romanian policies have popular support. None of them. From extinguishing the Moldovan identity to changing the script to even unifying with Romania in the future. But you wouldn’t know that from listening to Sandhu speak. Or from reading Wikipedia or Reddit. And hell, even their Eurovision entry a couple of years back was pushing this weird “pan-Romanian” idea, and selling that their is no real, measurable difference between Chișinău and Bucharest. Which is odd, considering that even in the days of Dragostea Din Tei (written in Romanian, by a Moldova group living in Romania) no one would have dared to claim that…
That is the context of this referendum, which she barely got over the line, and of the runoff presidential elections there: an extremely pro-Romanian globalist who the media pretends is “liberal and pro-EU”, vs the so-called “backward conservatives” who apparently only exist in rural areas, and are “bought out” or “brainwashed” by Russian propaganda.
It ain’t great. And shit, I say all this as a Europhile and supporter of both Ukrainian and Moldovan independence.
Something about all this, ever since Sandhu got in and became “popular” in the West, just ain’t right.
But, much like with the Voice Ref in Aus last year, I don’t hold my breath for either Wiki, or Reddit, to acknowledge that.
TL;dr she’s a pro-Romanian globalist, and this is all much more murky and complicated than most sources are making it out to be…
Good analysis. I'm not going to claim perfect knowledge of eastern European history, but I know Stalin used ethnic divides to keep control. Favor this ethnic group a little and suddenly the other one wants favors and is willing to bend over.
It keeps showing up so I nicknamed it Stalin's Divide.
What’s the desire for Moldova to merge with Romania? Something valuable there?
Romania is very corrupt. Moldova, I believe, is more so. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the criminal entities there are cross-border, plus probably the politicians are in cahoots (kick backs, etc.)
But it’s also some sort of historical revisionist thing, i.e. “Moldova was always historically part of Romania, and only split off by the Soviets to serve Russian interests.”
Which is only partly historically true, and is, almost to a tee, very much the same argument Putin uses to justify Ukrainian-Russian “brotherhood”…
Which is… Ironic.
There’s also the desire to destroy anything from the Soviet era (such as the writing system, political structures, old textbooks, etc.), so I guess this plays into that…
Which is kind of what Ukraine has done as well, albeit replacing Russian things with their Ukrainian equivalent…
It’s all very stupid.
I suppose though, to give them their due, it’s a bit like East Germany, in that Moldova is poor, and barely produces anything of large-scale economic value (except wine, lol), so it’s in the economic self-interest of the elites to merge with the larger, less-poor, EU-member “mother country”…
However the majority of ordinary people do not want this merger, and unlike the 90s, with the breakup of Czechoslovakia (also an elite project with limited popular support), I don’t see this one being quite as easy to ram through…
Edit: it’s worth noting that Moldova is effectively land-locked, and only has one port that is capable of handling large ships. Whereas Romania (which wants to buy said Moldovan Port, because of course they do)… Is not.
All of which suggests to me that Romania is almost certainly manipulating large parts of this, a bit like Bulgaria (yes, really) does with (North) Macedonia, for similar reasons…
It's def Romanian gov that is meddling. The big business in Romania, wants the cheaper labor of the Moldovans. RO has been outsourced a lot of labor from the west (call centers, auto manufacture, remote quality assurance), so salaries have steadily climbed. The same phenom that is happening in parts of India. All of a sudden you have a group with money that disrupts the surrounding local 'poors'
This argument doesn't make much sense once you go to any big romanian city and see them filled with jeets doing food delivery and other service jobs(the only thing missing is them reconnecting with their lost "brothers" and getting into the euronigger trade). And it's not even going full force yet because businesses haven't reached the 100k/year limit for non-EU sla.. ahem workers, so I can see it become a LOT worse.