White flight occurred because of declining property values, and Chicago was already exceptionally violent, most people in Detroit weren't worried about black neighbors. You're argument would make more sense in Allentown.
Not that any of that matters, My argument still stands that Detroit would be a shithole filled with whites if white flight didn't occur. You can't make a Leftist power center not a shithole.
You’re arguing with someone who had family flee Detroit. White flight occurred for one reason, a mass influx of southern blacks who skyrocketed crime rates. Detroit did not got leftist until after the white flight occurred. Magically the more left Detroit went the larger the amount of white people left, it’s now ~77% black with 80-100k people still leaving every decade.
Detroit did not got leftist until after the white flight occurred
The AFL and UAW prove that to be completely and utterly false. Detroit was a Democratic City in the 1870's, and then during the Progressive Era became a Progressive Republican city. Then during the 30's it went back to being a Progressive Democratic city, where it sits to this very day.
Southern black migration into Detroit would have caused white flight and skyrocketing crime rates in the 20's, when Detroit wasn't anywhere near it's peak, nor most violent.
Your narrative just doesn't mesh with what happened.
Your “reality” is far into the “I read a Wikipedia article” category. Let me help you, between 1919 and 1962 Detroit had 14 Republican mayors and 3 democrat mayors, lest than 1 a decade and non in a row. It went democrat officially in 1962 when the white flight was in full effect. Detroit saw 10% of its population leave after the mass influx of black immigrants from the south. Again, reality doesn’t support your narrative.
So were those Goldwater Republicans, or... maybe they were strong trade unionist conservatives? And how long after "the mass influx of black immigrants from the south" did whites leave? It's wasn't 1962. That influx started arriving, again, in the 20's.
Perhaps it is hard to tease out cause and effect, but the statistics say that whites are afraid of blacks and move out when they move in. There was a mayor of Atlanta that basically said "we will follow you" re the suburbs. And the exurb was born. I can't account for every individual person. I just see what happens to large groups.
Actually it should be easy to see that because you should actually see the neighborhood leave immediately. You should see a situation where white homeowners drop like a rock, and then blacks buy up the property.
Instead what you see is white homeowners not really responding at all, until a tipping point happens. The initially population of blacks that move into the community are referred to as "pioneers", and basically no one has issues with them. Somewhere around the point where blacks are now 30% or more of the home owners and the neighborhood starts to culturally shift from a white community to a black community. Then there becomes ethnic conflict between the two groups on a cultural basis. When interviewed about this, black residents who were pioneers recalled that they wanted to move into a white community, and at a certain point after them, black migrants wanted to move into a black community. There becomes a point where the standards and expectations of the white community, that the pioneers were exposed to, drops off and it becomes like the standards of the black community the pioneers left. Those drop off in standards is actually where we see a decrease in property values, due to lack of maintenance and cleanliness. Then what follows that is crime (because crime is attracted to disorderliness). That is when you actually see white flight take place, because whites are actually using their home value to build asset wealth. At that point, they have to move to preserve the wealth they've accrued in their home, or they will screw over their family and retirement.
However, once they do that, it's a positive feedback loop of collapsing housing prices, and that is when you see lots of whites move out all at once as home prices fall.
The vast and sweeping majority of the time "white flight" in the way that it is portrayed by the Left almost never happens. Whites don't just see a black person and everyone runs for the hills. Instead what happens is whites respond to collapsing property values and get out while they still can. That or the whites are simply demographically replace (which is more common along the border).
White flight occurred because of declining property values, and Chicago was already exceptionally violent, most people in Detroit weren't worried about black neighbors. You're argument would make more sense in Allentown.
Not that any of that matters, My argument still stands that Detroit would be a shithole filled with whites if white flight didn't occur. You can't make a Leftist power center not a shithole.
You’re arguing with someone who had family flee Detroit. White flight occurred for one reason, a mass influx of southern blacks who skyrocketed crime rates. Detroit did not got leftist until after the white flight occurred. Magically the more left Detroit went the larger the amount of white people left, it’s now ~77% black with 80-100k people still leaving every decade.
The AFL and UAW prove that to be completely and utterly false. Detroit was a Democratic City in the 1870's, and then during the Progressive Era became a Progressive Republican city. Then during the 30's it went back to being a Progressive Democratic city, where it sits to this very day.
Southern black migration into Detroit would have caused white flight and skyrocketing crime rates in the 20's, when Detroit wasn't anywhere near it's peak, nor most violent.
Your narrative just doesn't mesh with what happened.
Your “reality” is far into the “I read a Wikipedia article” category. Let me help you, between 1919 and 1962 Detroit had 14 Republican mayors and 3 democrat mayors, lest than 1 a decade and non in a row. It went democrat officially in 1962 when the white flight was in full effect. Detroit saw 10% of its population leave after the mass influx of black immigrants from the south. Again, reality doesn’t support your narrative.
So were those Goldwater Republicans, or... maybe they were strong trade unionist conservatives? And how long after "the mass influx of black immigrants from the south" did whites leave? It's wasn't 1962. That influx started arriving, again, in the 20's.
Yes, people absolutely leave because of property values.
It's called "The Great Recession", look it up.
"people don't leave because property values drop"
Retard, you're accusing me of not understanding the ground is wet, when you don't even believe in water.
Everybody is afraid of black neighbors. I don't get your argument.
No, not everybody. Generalizing harder doesn't help you.
Perhaps it is hard to tease out cause and effect, but the statistics say that whites are afraid of blacks and move out when they move in. There was a mayor of Atlanta that basically said "we will follow you" re the suburbs. And the exurb was born. I can't account for every individual person. I just see what happens to large groups.
Actually it should be easy to see that because you should actually see the neighborhood leave immediately. You should see a situation where white homeowners drop like a rock, and then blacks buy up the property.
Instead what you see is white homeowners not really responding at all, until a tipping point happens. The initially population of blacks that move into the community are referred to as "pioneers", and basically no one has issues with them. Somewhere around the point where blacks are now 30% or more of the home owners and the neighborhood starts to culturally shift from a white community to a black community. Then there becomes ethnic conflict between the two groups on a cultural basis. When interviewed about this, black residents who were pioneers recalled that they wanted to move into a white community, and at a certain point after them, black migrants wanted to move into a black community. There becomes a point where the standards and expectations of the white community, that the pioneers were exposed to, drops off and it becomes like the standards of the black community the pioneers left. Those drop off in standards is actually where we see a decrease in property values, due to lack of maintenance and cleanliness. Then what follows that is crime (because crime is attracted to disorderliness). That is when you actually see white flight take place, because whites are actually using their home value to build asset wealth. At that point, they have to move to preserve the wealth they've accrued in their home, or they will screw over their family and retirement.
However, once they do that, it's a positive feedback loop of collapsing housing prices, and that is when you see lots of whites move out all at once as home prices fall.
The vast and sweeping majority of the time "white flight" in the way that it is portrayed by the Left almost never happens. Whites don't just see a black person and everyone runs for the hills. Instead what happens is whites respond to collapsing property values and get out while they still can. That or the whites are simply demographically replace (which is more common along the border).