Plenty of atheists still scream that he didn't exist at all, which is a solid note how little actual research they do despite claiming its all for science.
They want to do drugs and have wild sex, so thereby anything that prevents that is bad, and because its bad it must be lies and opiates for the masses. And then they just keep working back to tear off little details and inconsistencies to prove it. Any evidence to the contrary doesn't fit within their schema, so its rejected wholesale.
Or, the other common alternative, their dad made them go to church and they hated that/him. So its bad and the cycle works back from there.
Or if they aren't degens, it's rationalization of existential dread and resentment at the state of humanity. They'll often claim that religion stems from our inability to accept death, but their atheism is the same existential anxiety. A complete rejection of higher meaning and purpose is how they live with the fact that bad things happen and people die.
To qualify your "always" assertion, I'll just make it clear I'm talking about vehemently rigid atheists, not the non-believers that would be better called agnostic, or don't care one way or another.
Hey, I know I'm pulling the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy with this but, they aren't actually atheists.
They only go to less than surface level of 'there is no god' and in their shallow interpretation think 'that means no higher power so no rules and no consequences at the end of this life'
When you REALLY go deep into it, you start exploring the finality of existence and how important legacy is that you MAKE your own rules and even find a lot of the religious rules have wisdom (except eating pork, fuck off I like bacon!)
You get grounded REAL FUCKING QUICK when you save forced to think of your existence vanishing when you die that you either go full depression jump off a bridge mode or get really good at spotting the time wasters in your life.
They can only "not be" atheists is if atheism is a solidified grouping with specific rules instead of a loose collection of "no god/s" thoughts.
To say "they aren't atheists" is the equal of Biden saying blacks who don't vote for him aren't actually black, its to take a generalized existence and then apply conditions for you to be a part of it based on what people think should be conditional.
I get it, lots of guys here are atheists (and the downvotes show they are still as offendable as Reddit taught them to be) and don't like the stereotype because it doesn't apply to them. And that's fine. But to try and Rules Lawyer around it by denying it exists and how they don't count and "umm ackshually" it doesn't change that's what the majority of people do with it and why its damaged our society to such a level.
Also, those existential thoughts aren't unique to atheism. I've had to grapple with them just to reaffirm my own faith and actually deal with the possibility of being wrong. To treat them as part of "deeper atheism" itself instead of basic human fears, you are still ascribing to the same ol' atheism belief of "religious people are sheep who never think for themselves."
And the sheer fact that claiming "a guy named Joshua didn't exist and didn't do anything" is far less likely than him just existing and not being divine.
Plenty of atheists still scream that he didn't exist at all, which is a solid note how little actual research they do despite claiming its all for science.
And that was what started my shift away from atheism. They are no more rational or evidence-based than the people they despise.
Atheists are always guys who work backwards.
They want to do drugs and have wild sex, so thereby anything that prevents that is bad, and because its bad it must be lies and opiates for the masses. And then they just keep working back to tear off little details and inconsistencies to prove it. Any evidence to the contrary doesn't fit within their schema, so its rejected wholesale.
Or, the other common alternative, their dad made them go to church and they hated that/him. So its bad and the cycle works back from there.
Or if they aren't degens, it's rationalization of existential dread and resentment at the state of humanity. They'll often claim that religion stems from our inability to accept death, but their atheism is the same existential anxiety. A complete rejection of higher meaning and purpose is how they live with the fact that bad things happen and people die.
To qualify your "always" assertion, I'll just make it clear I'm talking about vehemently rigid atheists, not the non-believers that would be better called agnostic, or don't care one way or another.
Hey, I know I'm pulling the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy with this but, they aren't actually atheists.
They only go to less than surface level of 'there is no god' and in their shallow interpretation think 'that means no higher power so no rules and no consequences at the end of this life'
When you REALLY go deep into it, you start exploring the finality of existence and how important legacy is that you MAKE your own rules and even find a lot of the religious rules have wisdom (except eating pork, fuck off I like bacon!)
You get grounded REAL FUCKING QUICK when you save forced to think of your existence vanishing when you die that you either go full depression jump off a bridge mode or get really good at spotting the time wasters in your life.
They can only "not be" atheists is if atheism is a solidified grouping with specific rules instead of a loose collection of "no god/s" thoughts.
To say "they aren't atheists" is the equal of Biden saying blacks who don't vote for him aren't actually black, its to take a generalized existence and then apply conditions for you to be a part of it based on what people think should be conditional.
I get it, lots of guys here are atheists (and the downvotes show they are still as offendable as Reddit taught them to be) and don't like the stereotype because it doesn't apply to them. And that's fine. But to try and Rules Lawyer around it by denying it exists and how they don't count and "umm ackshually" it doesn't change that's what the majority of people do with it and why its damaged our society to such a level.
Also, those existential thoughts aren't unique to atheism. I've had to grapple with them just to reaffirm my own faith and actually deal with the possibility of being wrong. To treat them as part of "deeper atheism" itself instead of basic human fears, you are still ascribing to the same ol' atheism belief of "religious people are sheep who never think for themselves."
How dare you question the thousands of hours they spend watching Bill Maher!!! (Or insert generationally relevant asshole atheist demagogue.)
If anything we've got his court records
And the sheer fact that claiming "a guy named Joshua didn't exist and didn't do anything" is far less likely than him just existing and not being divine.
He was still a Rabbi and at least a great philosopher