They can only "not be" atheists is if atheism is a solidified grouping with specific rules instead of a loose collection of "no god/s" thoughts.
To say "they aren't atheists" is the equal of Biden saying blacks who don't vote for him aren't actually black, its to take a generalized existence and then apply conditions for you to be a part of it based on what people think should be conditional.
I get it, lots of guys here are atheists (and the downvotes show they are still as offendable as Reddit taught them to be) and don't like the stereotype because it doesn't apply to them. And that's fine. But to try and Rules Lawyer around it by denying it exists and how they don't count and "umm ackshually" it doesn't change that's what the majority of people do with it and why its damaged our society to such a level.
Also, those existential thoughts aren't unique to atheism. I've had to grapple with them just to reaffirm my own faith and actually deal with the possibility of being wrong. To treat them as part of "deeper atheism" itself instead of basic human fears, you are still ascribing to the same ol' atheism belief of "religious people are sheep who never think for themselves."
It's more the atheists your talking about, are right now chanting free Palestine, got a trans flag on their profile and pronouns in bio
Everything is EXTREMELY surface level with them and the same goes with their understanding of atheism beyond 'no god no rules'. They're the people Nietzche WARNED about years ago.
It's like taking someone who knows how screw in a lightbulb and saying they're the same as a qualified electrician.
It's more the atheists your talking about, are right now chanting free Palestine, got a trans flag on their profile and pronouns in bio
Yeah, atheists have always been cringe Lefties obsessed with "Current Thing." Its why they felt comfortable enough to create Atheism+ in the first place.
Atheism doesn't have a rule book, it doesn't have a main governing body. Thereby there aren't any rules to say "you ain't one!" other than the singular "believes in god" type. So you can't say they aren't one anymore than you can say the "deeper thinkers" are one. Its all atheism, with all the baggage that brings.
Wait a sec, isn't this basically a theistic version of gamergate we're talking about? 'How can you prove they're not gamergate, you don't have any rules on joining!'
You tell by the level of understanding, if all you look for is petty self confirmation of your actions then chances are you'd as easily be Catholic if all you had to do was attend confession for 10 minutes a week.
If you want to see it that way. Gamergate was a movement with a handful of presumptions necessary to even logically believe in it, like thinking there was something fishy with games journos like Kotaku. The same way you can't be an atheist if you believe in god, no matter how you dance around it that is a requirement for that singular purpose.
But from there yes you can have all sorts of nonsensical and contradictory parties within because of the lack of definable rules. You've achieved the literal only basic rule (the same way the only rule about being black is literally being fucking black), and any discount from there is self-serving.
Point being, the move isn't "they aren't atheists" because they are just the same as anyone. Its that they are shitty people who did it for garbage reasons. And unfortunately for atheists, those make up the majority in both number and power in society.
They can only "not be" atheists is if atheism is a solidified grouping with specific rules instead of a loose collection of "no god/s" thoughts.
To say "they aren't atheists" is the equal of Biden saying blacks who don't vote for him aren't actually black, its to take a generalized existence and then apply conditions for you to be a part of it based on what people think should be conditional.
I get it, lots of guys here are atheists (and the downvotes show they are still as offendable as Reddit taught them to be) and don't like the stereotype because it doesn't apply to them. And that's fine. But to try and Rules Lawyer around it by denying it exists and how they don't count and "umm ackshually" it doesn't change that's what the majority of people do with it and why its damaged our society to such a level.
Also, those existential thoughts aren't unique to atheism. I've had to grapple with them just to reaffirm my own faith and actually deal with the possibility of being wrong. To treat them as part of "deeper atheism" itself instead of basic human fears, you are still ascribing to the same ol' atheism belief of "religious people are sheep who never think for themselves."
It's more the atheists your talking about, are right now chanting free Palestine, got a trans flag on their profile and pronouns in bio
Everything is EXTREMELY surface level with them and the same goes with their understanding of atheism beyond 'no god no rules'. They're the people Nietzche WARNED about years ago.
It's like taking someone who knows how screw in a lightbulb and saying they're the same as a qualified electrician.
Yeah, atheists have always been cringe Lefties obsessed with "Current Thing." Its why they felt comfortable enough to create Atheism+ in the first place.
Atheism doesn't have a rule book, it doesn't have a main governing body. Thereby there aren't any rules to say "you ain't one!" other than the singular "believes in god" type. So you can't say they aren't one anymore than you can say the "deeper thinkers" are one. Its all atheism, with all the baggage that brings.
Wait a sec, isn't this basically a theistic version of gamergate we're talking about? 'How can you prove they're not gamergate, you don't have any rules on joining!'
You tell by the level of understanding, if all you look for is petty self confirmation of your actions then chances are you'd as easily be Catholic if all you had to do was attend confession for 10 minutes a week.
If you want to see it that way. Gamergate was a movement with a handful of presumptions necessary to even logically believe in it, like thinking there was something fishy with games journos like Kotaku. The same way you can't be an atheist if you believe in god, no matter how you dance around it that is a requirement for that singular purpose.
But from there yes you can have all sorts of nonsensical and contradictory parties within because of the lack of definable rules. You've achieved the literal only basic rule (the same way the only rule about being black is literally being fucking black), and any discount from there is self-serving.
Point being, the move isn't "they aren't atheists" because they are just the same as anyone. Its that they are shitty people who did it for garbage reasons. And unfortunately for atheists, those make up the majority in both number and power in society.