A slight high jacking of this post as want to ask a question that I feel will determine your response to current pokemon:
What do you hold as the pinnacle of pokemon games?
For me, no hesitation, Silver and Gold are the apex of pokemon, the perfect sequel and feature additions like night and day cycles and making the previous region available to roam after beating the elite four.
So when you compare that to current day, you see the creative loss in quality even if they hide behind 3D.
HeartGold/SoulSilver to Black and White 2 were peak Pokemon to me. Gen 4.5 to 5.5, basically. You had GameFreak recreating Gold and Silver with incredible amounts of love and faithfulness while building on their foundations to make something genuinely impressive. So many features and functions added on top of an already rock-solid foundation. Then, Gen 5 had them innovating in so many ways. The stories were peak, with genuinely interesting and challenging ideas. The changing seasons added to the exploration of the region, and there was just so much creativity and passion in everything.
Of course, this was also the gen where sales dropped off, which probably taught Gamefreak all the wrong lessons about what people wanted in their Pokemon games....
Heartgold and Soulsilver allowed fighting the gym leaders again, with much stronger teams. It did a good job at presenting some challenges, keeping things fresh, even without taking the PvP aspect. It also had the fight against Red, that normally requires a team in the high 60 / low 70 range, at least.
I think most people agree the series peaked before gen 6.
Gen 5ers praise the post game content there, but I find it the breaking point for me where too many of the designs didn't "feel" like pokemon anymore. Though, they a stiil far better than all the furry bullshit that came after. I give people who consider it the best a pass.
For me gen 4 was the best. The physical/special split added a lot to the gameplay. On the other hand, the interface was the slowest it ever was and stealth rock and weather were overcentralizing. Still, I find these issues less severe than some that other gens had.
Gen 2 also stands out, due to its focus on refining the formula of Gen 1. It lets you experience the classic pokemon formula without the severe gen 1 jank. Some of the best experiences to be had on the original gameboy.
The fact of the matter is, no one thinks pokemon is at its best right now, except small children (and people so easily swayed by marketing they may as well be children.) We debate whether the game was last great 15 years ago, or 20. These days, the gameplay changes are gimmicks, the worlds feel smaller and smaller, and the increasingly humanoid pokemon designs feel like they're pandering to furries, and make the whole capturing and making them fight mechanic feel more unpleasant. Modern pokemon feels like a one of those monster catcher copycat games that were so popular in the 90s somehow got the official license.
My only complaint about Gold and Silver is that the battery that ran the clock burned out so I lost everything.
Other than that, I agree that they were the peak of what Pokemon had to offer. Still riding the high from the first games and not yet bogged down with an excess of baggage that would pile on over the years. Art direction was still extremely strong and mystery gifting was getting siblings and friends on the playground to interact with one another and bond over their shared pastime.
A slight high jacking of this post as want to ask a question that I feel will determine your response to current pokemon:
What do you hold as the pinnacle of pokemon games?
For me, no hesitation, Silver and Gold are the apex of pokemon, the perfect sequel and feature additions like night and day cycles and making the previous region available to roam after beating the elite four.
So when you compare that to current day, you see the creative loss in quality even if they hide behind 3D.
HeartGold/SoulSilver to Black and White 2 were peak Pokemon to me. Gen 4.5 to 5.5, basically. You had GameFreak recreating Gold and Silver with incredible amounts of love and faithfulness while building on their foundations to make something genuinely impressive. So many features and functions added on top of an already rock-solid foundation. Then, Gen 5 had them innovating in so many ways. The stories were peak, with genuinely interesting and challenging ideas. The changing seasons added to the exploration of the region, and there was just so much creativity and passion in everything.
Of course, this was also the gen where sales dropped off, which probably taught Gamefreak all the wrong lessons about what people wanted in their Pokemon games....
They spent one year making Diamond and Pearl.
They spent THREE years making HeartGold and SoulSilver--and boy, did it show. Still my favorites.
Heartgold and Soulsilver allowed fighting the gym leaders again, with much stronger teams. It did a good job at presenting some challenges, keeping things fresh, even without taking the PvP aspect. It also had the fight against Red, that normally requires a team in the high 60 / low 70 range, at least.
Based chudcel recognizes that Pokémon products have been boring and childish for well over a decade.
I think most people agree the series peaked before gen 6.
Gen 5ers praise the post game content there, but I find it the breaking point for me where too many of the designs didn't "feel" like pokemon anymore. Though, they a stiil far better than all the furry bullshit that came after. I give people who consider it the best a pass.
For me gen 4 was the best. The physical/special split added a lot to the gameplay. On the other hand, the interface was the slowest it ever was and stealth rock and weather were overcentralizing. Still, I find these issues less severe than some that other gens had.
Gen 2 also stands out, due to its focus on refining the formula of Gen 1. It lets you experience the classic pokemon formula without the severe gen 1 jank. Some of the best experiences to be had on the original gameboy.
The fact of the matter is, no one thinks pokemon is at its best right now, except small children (and people so easily swayed by marketing they may as well be children.) We debate whether the game was last great 15 years ago, or 20. These days, the gameplay changes are gimmicks, the worlds feel smaller and smaller, and the increasingly humanoid pokemon designs feel like they're pandering to furries, and make the whole capturing and making them fight mechanic feel more unpleasant. Modern pokemon feels like a one of those monster catcher copycat games that were so popular in the 90s somehow got the official license.
Diamond and Pearl is my favorite map of the entire series. So fantastically made.
PMD Explorers clears all of the mainline pokemon for me by a country mile, but otherwise I'd say Gen 3 is my favorite.
My only complaint about Gold and Silver is that the battery that ran the clock burned out so I lost everything.
Other than that, I agree that they were the peak of what Pokemon had to offer. Still riding the high from the first games and not yet bogged down with an excess of baggage that would pile on over the years. Art direction was still extremely strong and mystery gifting was getting siblings and friends on the playground to interact with one another and bond over their shared pastime.