Something that has been on my mind quite a bit over the last few years has been the shift in fashion trends, not just with clothing and the like but with body styles. If you were born in the 80s or earlier, you are old enough to remember when what was considered attractive now was not attractive then, especially if you're White. If you grew up in the 80s, 90s and very early 00s you might remember who the"hot" female stars of the day were.
Women who looked like
Feminine, slender, fit, lithe, tight, and tiny. We called them spinners and had phrases like "an ass so tight you could bounce a quarter off of it".
And yet, now the beauty standard among even White women is more like
Obviously something happened in the last few decades. Now we all know fashion trends and what is considered attractive culturally does shift naturally over time, though it's usually in spans of centuries. But it's suspicious to me that this transition took place at the same time black culture was deliberately starting to be pushed into the spotlight. The DEI push started gaining steam about 15-20 years ago, it's only become more overt and aggressive now that they've gained enough institutional power. But the push to make black sports stars, black actors, black music, etc all the most popular really started to get going in the mid/late 00s. Right around the collapse of the last punk/alternative music era where real genuine bands with real musicians and instruments got pushed into a more niche interest and rappers and autotune started taking over. I'm sure many of us who are old enough noticed the change and can think of more examples. But it's gotten bad enough that if you tell some people you still find the first group attractive and the second gross, you might be accused of being a pedo or liking girls who look like little boys.
My question is, do you think it was deliberately pushed on us by the malicious powers that be, or was it just a natural shift, like as Americans got fatter in general, fatter women who at least kind of wear it better than a blob became the new beauty standard? A bit of both? Any other reasons or factors you might think contributed to it? It just seems odd to me that as blacks and their standards were forced into everything else, even White women started to want to look like black women just with lighter skin. You'd never have heard of the latest "it girl" in a mid 90s summer teen comedy or slasher movie wanting to get ass implants, much less find a White high school boy in 1997 who wanted a girl who had them. We wanted volleyball players and the cheerleaders at the top of the pyramid, not twerkers and ghetto chicks. "Thick"(we still spelled it correctly back then) was a positive adjective for black chicks and the black dudes who liked them, and they were welcome to keep it to themselves. But that was then, and it's not that way now, even for a ton of White men. Why though?
What it is is fundamental to the morals of it. Is it something hard to attain and which requires work and time for a fitness enthusiast? Or is it something any casual sloth and gluttony fan can get doing nothing.
You are dodging the question, and I highly suspect it's on purpose because you don't want to admit the answer. Throwing up a bullshit smokescreen that is non sequitur to the issue. Women in the 90s and before were just as capable of putting hard work and time as fitness enthusiasts, and did so more than they do now. And the end result wasn't an ass that takes up 1/4 of her body mass. The result was a body like the women in the first set of images. So, ignoring your irrelevant point about how much work it takes to look like a white Shaquanda, women 20 years ago didn't want to. Now they do. Why?
And the moral quality of a white woman trying to look like what black men find attractive is quite simple. It's absolute filth and degeneracy.
All this is in quite the contrast to your OP
It looks like you're already certain of the answer.
I'm not the one dodging anything, it's you being disingenuous. I'm rejecting the premise that they (your examples at least) are fat arsed. It's something else entirely, fitness. They don't share much except size.
Why do I think it is? I don't know. The whole thicc black and big booty latina influence might play a part. So might social media accelerating shifts like that, what once took centuries or decades is now only a generation. But then why wouldn't they just eat their way to that 'ideal' then? It's a million times easier. That's why I think something else is going on.
I am absolutely certain of the answer. But I am still curious about what other people think about it. So long as they actually answer the question that I asked instead of trying to waffle around because they don't want to say it out loud, or they have a vested interest in pretending the answer isn't what it is.
I will go out on a limb and make a guess. It is a guess, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I'm pretty confident that I'm right. I would be willing to bet that the real crux here is that you find the women in the second set of photos more attractive, and of course you have a negative emotional reaction to being told that you find fat women attractive, so you're trying to talk around the point. You can like what you like. But they are fat women. Just because it's not fat everywhere, does not mean those giant tumors at the top of their legs are not composed of adipose tissue. They absolutely are. Ever seen one of those women 'twerk'? Muscle tissue doesn't do that. It's fat. You like fat chicks. Okay, it's not a big deal. You are probably either brown yourself, or fairly young and you grew up in a culture that was brainwashing you into liking brown culture without even realizing it was happening. And now here you are being attracted to the same stuff that black men are attracted to. If you aren't black, you're not supposed to be. So if you're not black and you are, something was done to you to make that the case. Just as it was done to the white women to make them want to be that. But, I will admit it is just a guess on my part.
Not if I can help it, twerking is quite unattractive. Immediate drop. No class, no thanks.
Ok bud, sure, whatever you want to believe. Because that's a bodybuilder woman while not on a cut with massive quads. And that's your problem, you're not willing to admit that you're wrong, very few people like that. It's gotta be quite niche.
"so long as nobody actually disagrees with my conclusions or premises"
"You're either black or with my psychoanalysis, I conclude that you are compromised"
Maybe, just maybe, it's that you is wrong. But you already discounted that possibility:
And that's the real crux here.