Guess who came up with the "Out of Africa" theory
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Well yeah. My point is not that it is relevant, it's that the Nazis only bring up Jewishness when it suits them. And they do it regardless of whether this could have been the only person in all of human history to come up with that idea.
Let's assume your framing. Were these the only people who could have come up with these ideas? Hardly seems likely.
Clever attempt, but you don't deal with how these ideas actually spread, and among whom. You can also not regard Marxism as emerging in a vacuum. It's the outgrowth of the French Revolution, as the whole idea of socialism itself was.
I'm not sure what you're basing this on.
It doesn't seem unlikely that people who are in an outgroup would come up with ideas that overturn established ideas. In case of the Bolsheviks, it's not at all surprising that the Jews would be with the people who were not staging pogroms. But you must admit that the people who post these things are not trying to make an intelligent, sophisticated argument like you are, but instead want to say "JEWS BAD". Which is why they bring it up when it's something they don't like and never when they do!
I doubt you're correct about this, but just to be sure: do you mean 'the Politburo', and if so, what year? Or as a whole? That is almost certainly incorrect.
This started when you countered an example of Jewish subversion with the achievements of Einstein. I'm explaining to you why that's a weak argument. Einstein certainly accelerated the development of theoretical physics, but many other people in his field were running in the same direction. Whereas in social sciences, for example, social Darwinism was the order of the day until Jewish thinkers like Boaz intervened and turned the bus around to cultural relativism, which undermines the orthodoxy of white, Christian, European countries.
The rest of your post is basically an argument from historical ignorance where you haven't read about investigations into Bolshevism, Marxism, etc. I would refer you to The role of Jews in the Russian Revolutionary movement by Leonard Schapiro, which plainly states on the first page that 50% of the revolutionary party membership was Jewish.
There are also contemporary writings from Churchill and other leaders that show they believed the Jews were leading the Bolsheviks. For example, he wrote the role of Jews in the revolution "is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others."
I believe there’s an interesting case to be made for a type of ancient communism which seems to have persisted through to the Classical era:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Marxist_communism#Classical_antiquity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism#Example_societies
If you turned all of the biblical vices into approved activities, and then you manifested those behaviors as a political and cultural belief system, wouldn’t it look a lot like communism?
Communism as practiced? Yes, but I see the same vices manifest in Capitalism as practiced (or whatever label you want to give the ideology “opposed” to communism).
On the flip side, I see many of the values of Christianity in “communism” as written (not marxism per se but the more general ideas of communal-ism which can be shown to long predate marxism (for instance, the reason that the Jerusalem Church collapsed while the Church of Rome thrived was that the Jerusalem Christian community was largely operated “communistically” while the Church of Rome imposed a capitalistic tithing system which helped contribute to their practically ruling the world for a time - one might point to this as yet more proof that “communism is idealism and not achievable in reality”, I wouldn’t disagree but I simply point to it to enrich the conversation which draws threads between “communism” and “Christianity”).
Can you substantiate how this is 'subversion', let alone 'Jewish subversion'?
Can you name a few? Not Fitzgerald or Lorenz, who were running in the exact opposite direction.
How very interesting. You don't have a problem with people subverting historic Christian doctrines with such piffle like 'social Darwinism', but you do care about one incorrect idea being displaced by another? Social Darwinism has more in common with cultural relativism than either have with anything that is related to Western civilization.
Well, you're moving the goalposts already. You said that 50% of the leadership of the Bolsheviks was Jewish, and all you presented was a not substantiated claim about the membership of revolutionary parties.
Furthermore, this happened in the summer of 1903, your article says. This was before there even were Bolsheviks, let alone a leadership of Bolsheviks.
That's very good and all, but there are actual documents showing who the leaders of the Bolsheviks were. You don't need to quote people, you can just point to the members, right?
Look, obviously Jews were overrepresented among Bolsheviks. But as soon as you made that claim, it being as sweeping as it was vague, I knew that you weren't right about it.
The irony is that the two Jewish members of the Politburo I know of voted against the October coup d'etat.
One thing at a time. Let us repeat, again, that a staggering 50% of the Russian revolutionary party rolls were Jewish. There is no Jewish defection or displacement from the revolutionary movement until Stalin excised Trotsky and other intellectuals, so in 1918 the number of participants, at the minimum, is the same in the Bolsheviks. In regards to the leadership, Jewish representation throughout history has been notoriously top heavy. For example, a survey in the 80s found that Jews are 60% of Hollywood decisionmakers. So if anything, we would estimate representation in Bolshevik leadership to be even higher.
You can't swat this aside, sorry. The fact that you even tried is laughable.
In a not substantiated claim, yes.
Partly true, but the 'revolutionary movement' was not just the Bolsheviks. There were also the Mensheviks (actually led by a Jew) and the Socialist Revolutionaries, who were divided internally between minimalists and maximalists.
Why 'at a minimum'? When you can empirically verify the actual leadership of the Bolsheviks, why on earth would you go on an unsubstantiated claim of a government official which is not even about the leadership?
I am not sure what an unnamed study about Hollywood teaches us about the Bolsheviks from 2 generations earlier in a completely different country. For one, it's a very insulting comparison to the Bolsheviks - they weren't pedos and cocaine users.
Actually, it's laughable that you made a claim about one thing and tried to prove it with something completely different (if unsubstantiated), and then dragged in Hollywood degenerates.
This has to be the most tortured argument you’ve ever written here. So he’s possibly or even probably right, but you think most of the people who agree with him don’t understand the nuances of why he’s right, and therefore… what exactly? He’s wrong? But you didn’t say that. And even if you had, you would have been engaging in a fallacy.
Further, you imply your belief that anti-Semitism simply falls from the sky. Negative opinion of Jews is always arbitrary and exists as a first order principle, animating and directing all subsequent opinions such that they are inherently invalid, yea? But then why do so many people across so many cultures and nations develop these opinions in mutual isolation? Why do people raised within intensely pro-Jewish cultures (as the West) spontaneously develop negative opinions about the Jewish ethnic cohort? Pattern recognition seems a far greater possibility than “muh papa didn’t like ‘em”.