Iran is scared of Israels fury, now pretending they arent muslims
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I'm no fan of Iran, but a quick reminder that they are not Arabs is always in order. They've been Islamic for centuries, but their strong theocratic tendencies are a fairly recent import from the political Islam of the early 20th century. In a world without Zionism and Israel, they may have been a US ally in the region.
The former British Empire thought it was easier to coup the leaders of Iran than it was to pay their oil royalties after WW2. The current Iranian hostility is completely self-inflicted.
They are more respectful of Christian beliefs than the jews that did the Olympic opening ceremony.
I know you're a troll and all that, but it's a quote from the Koran.
https://surahquran.com/aya-171-sora-4.html
the Quran explicitly states that the Bible is true and correct. the last dinner is part of Muslim cannon.
But it doesn’t talk about putting your faith in Christ or that Jesus is the way to salvation. I know they believe he will return if I remember correctly
They try to co-opt Christianity by giving Jesus a role of honor and gutting Christianity of all its values and theology, while recognizing all the prophets that came before, and preventing some other religion from doing the same by declaring Muhammad to be 'the seal of the prophets'.
I won't pretend to have anything more than a cursory view of Islam but they deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. As a Christian you know our shared Christian faith is based on the divinity of Jesus Christ. No amount of Muslims mentioning Jesus as a prophet or honoring Mary will unite us in Faith.
True
What about Unitarians like Newton?
Honestly, the subject of the exact nature of the divinity of Jesus is probably just about the oldest schism (or perhaps heresy, considering the side of the schism who believed in his total divinity came to completely dominate the discussion going forward). But you’ll find this was a common thread among these earliest of schisms/“heresies”:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism#Jesus_as_Gnostic_saviour
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism
And many others, continuing throughout history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Christology
And even to this day in some major sects/splinters:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Nature_of_God
Yeah there were Arians but their views are denied by most Christian religions. I'll acquiesce that most of mainstream Christian faiths are dependent on the divinity of Jesus Christ
Oh absolutely, you’re right here and you’re right in your first comment, it is a fundamental belief of 99.99% of mainstream Christianity
Just personally, as someone who came to see the Treasures contained within Christianity later in life through attempts to logically grapple with it (as opposed to being born into a sect of the faith), I look back at this oldest of schisms which still festers today in many ways:
Given the choice between defining Christianity as “choosing to act like Christ” (as revealed in the Gospels and associated texts), and defining Christianity as “choosing to believe that God and Jesus are Father and Son/part of a Trinity/etc”, I see the latter as having so much unnecessary suffering associated with it through the last 2000 years of bloodshed that I can’t reconcile it with the first.
For example, how many “Christians” today use their interpretation (foisted onto them it may be) of their faith to justify support for israel, a modern day genocidal state which embodies much of what Hitler apparently believed, just with the roles reversed? A disturbing amount by my estimation. Stuff like that leads me to think “huh, maybe the mainstream answer in this realm is just as wrong as the mainstream answers in every other realm of investigation, maybe I should look deeper into these older conversations and debates, see who made more sense.”
I know God wants us to be introspective and asks questions, so I think you are correct to always question.
I know the American Evangelical movement is strongly pro-Isreal and is probably one of the driving forces in mainstream Christianity today. I think their trying to bring on Revelations by trying to rig events is a bit Talmudic. The trying to find the way to get around God's is a bit Judeo and less Christian.
Actually, it says the exact opposite - it says that the Bible is corrupted.
https://quran.com/5:48?store=false&translations=84,19,22,131,167,20,85,206,203,149
the Quran explicitly confirms the previous scriptures which includes the Bible and the Torah. it's actually one of the fundamental flaws in Islam, because the Quran contradicts the Bible, calls itself the truth, and calls the previous scriptures the truth. this is logically impossible.
Maybe I'm mistaken but doesn't the Quran have a different version of Abraham? I believe I've heard Abram's story in the Quran is more robust and different than the Torah version.
...which is why they claim the Bible has been corrupted, and that only the Koran is the perfect revelation... in fact, the Koran is eternal and uncreated in orthodox Muslim belief.
I wish it were true, but you haven't discovered a fatal flaw in Islam after 14 centuries - though the fatal flaws that it has certainly haven't prevented it from metastasizing.
it wasn't my discovery per se, I took it from a debate about Islam that I watched.
that being said, religious people tend to not be very good scholars of their own religion. I'm sure I'm not the first person to appointed this out throughout history. I also know a lot of Muslims repeat this line that the Bible has been corrupted, but I am so far unaware of any passage in the Quran that says so.
Corrupted by whom?
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Yeah, I can see this easily compared with "Synagogue of Satan".
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