You can't have thinking racialism, that's an oxymoron. If you only sometimes support people of a certain race because in that particular instance you thought about it and decided they deserve your support for other reasons that's not racialism anymore, that's just a damned coincidence. If those coincidences lead you to decide to support one race disproportionately more than another, that's still not racialism, it's just proof that race isn't just a social construct.
It's only racialism if your decision was based on their race. That's both the great flaw of it, it gives less accurate answers, and the power of it, it gives much faster and more consistent answers across the entire group. It frees up time and effort so that if a situation calls for group intervention you can immediately reach consensus and self-organize into action in large numbers quickly. Non racialist decision making instead leaves you handwringing about the details and investigating the wider context so long that by the time you reach any kind of consensus you realize racialists of a different stripe have already organized, raided a police station and stomped a guy's head in for being the wrong side of a racial divide. There's no putting humpty Dumpty back together at that point. Where you have the time and the luxury of waiting to get the best answer we can discard racialism for it's flaws. But when you need expedience to race against a group who will rapidly decide against you 100% of the time, some inaccuracy is a secondary concern to not letting that group make every choice for you.
I let the "unthinking racialism" slide because I supposed a little harmless tautology for emphasis is nothing to quibble over. But now you're trying to invent a "thinking racialism" so you can have your cake and eat it as you deny words you plainly said and pretend you can silo off the good parts of racialism from the bad without completely neutralizing it, I guess I need to go back and correct that too.
Wrong, unthinking racialism is only taking account of race. Thinking racialism is taking account of race as one part of the whole picture.
Thinking racialism = a nation for every race and a race for every nation. This is how you get the world on your side
Unthinking racialism = we need to go conquer the world and spread our ideals and culture through force no matter what. This is how you get the world in opposition to you
Because to me, race is a shorthand for a fuzzy distribution of genetic predispositions that can affect a persons physique, behaviour and performance in tangible ways. It's a heuristic of a person's nature where the full analysis would be a battery of psychological analyses, intelligence tests and physical examinations followed by measuring and normalizing for environmental factors that can also affect those same outcomes.
The value of a heuristic is that it's fast and moderately accurate. The value of a full analysis is that it's very accurate albeit much slower. If you're not going to take any action based on the heuristic before doing the full analysis, then it's pointless to even consider the heuristic at all. If you're going wait for the full analysis (I.E. looking at the whole picture), you're losing a heuristic's only comparative benefit of speed. Your "thinking racialism" would be functionally indistinguishable from "racially agnostic decision making" with really bad PR and both would be incredibly weak at preventing "unthinking racialism" of an outside group from overtaking them.
"Thinking racialism" would only have any value if you think race itself had some secret innate and unique value that needs to be considered separately because no other considerations can encapsulate it.
Also you're out by one level for your supposed outcomes of "thinking" and "unthinking" racialism.
One nation one race is the quintessential form of unthinking racialism. You don't get a racially monolithic nation by considering race alongside other factors for citizenship. You get that by considering race as the only factor of citizenship.
And why the fuck would a racialist nation have some pathological need to conquer the world? Nobody wants to be at war and there's no need to enter conflict on the side of your own race in other parts of the world when your own race are all inside your own nation. What you're describing there is absolutist racial supremacy which is a whole different kettle of fish.
So:
"Thinking" racialism = early 1970s America where meritocracy still predominated and some racial disparities in outcome were understood to be acceptable if equal opportunity was demonstrated. People weren't segregated dejure, but still self-segregated to a large degree.
Thinking Unthinking racialism = a nation for every race and a race for every nation.
Unthinking racialism Absolute racial supremacists = we need to go conquer the world and spread our ideals and culture racial genetics through force no matter what.
Glad you're happy. Not even sarcastic there. I prefer productive communication too. Looking forward to the return.
I still maintain the right to fight my corner to not be misrepresented though, I'm not gonna be anybody's passive bitch just for the sake of imaginary civility. And I don't exactly enjoy being condescended to either but whatever, let bygones be bygones I suppose.
You can't have thinking racialism, that's an oxymoron. If you only sometimes support people of a certain race because in that particular instance you thought about it and decided they deserve your support for other reasons that's not racialism anymore, that's just a damned coincidence. If those coincidences lead you to decide to support one race disproportionately more than another, that's still not racialism, it's just proof that race isn't just a social construct.
It's only racialism if your decision was based on their race. That's both the great flaw of it, it gives less accurate answers, and the power of it, it gives much faster and more consistent answers across the entire group. It frees up time and effort so that if a situation calls for group intervention you can immediately reach consensus and self-organize into action in large numbers quickly. Non racialist decision making instead leaves you handwringing about the details and investigating the wider context so long that by the time you reach any kind of consensus you realize racialists of a different stripe have already organized, raided a police station and stomped a guy's head in for being the wrong side of a racial divide. There's no putting humpty Dumpty back together at that point. Where you have the time and the luxury of waiting to get the best answer we can discard racialism for it's flaws. But when you need expedience to race against a group who will rapidly decide against you 100% of the time, some inaccuracy is a secondary concern to not letting that group make every choice for you.
I let the "unthinking racialism" slide because I supposed a little harmless tautology for emphasis is nothing to quibble over. But now you're trying to invent a "thinking racialism" so you can have your cake and eat it as you deny words you plainly said and pretend you can silo off the good parts of racialism from the bad without completely neutralizing it, I guess I need to go back and correct that too.
Wrong, unthinking racialism is only taking account of race. Thinking racialism is taking account of race as one part of the whole picture.
Thinking racialism = a nation for every race and a race for every nation. This is how you get the world on your side
Unthinking racialism = we need to go conquer the world and spread our ideals and culture through force no matter what. This is how you get the world in opposition to you
What do you think race is?
Because to me, race is a shorthand for a fuzzy distribution of genetic predispositions that can affect a persons physique, behaviour and performance in tangible ways. It's a heuristic of a person's nature where the full analysis would be a battery of psychological analyses, intelligence tests and physical examinations followed by measuring and normalizing for environmental factors that can also affect those same outcomes.
The value of a heuristic is that it's fast and moderately accurate. The value of a full analysis is that it's very accurate albeit much slower. If you're not going to take any action based on the heuristic before doing the full analysis, then it's pointless to even consider the heuristic at all. If you're going wait for the full analysis (I.E. looking at the whole picture), you're losing a heuristic's only comparative benefit of speed. Your "thinking racialism" would be functionally indistinguishable from "racially agnostic decision making" with really bad PR and both would be incredibly weak at preventing "unthinking racialism" of an outside group from overtaking them.
"Thinking racialism" would only have any value if you think race itself had some secret innate and unique value that needs to be considered separately because no other considerations can encapsulate it.
Also you're out by one level for your supposed outcomes of "thinking" and "unthinking" racialism.
One nation one race is the quintessential form of unthinking racialism. You don't get a racially monolithic nation by considering race alongside other factors for citizenship. You get that by considering race as the only factor of citizenship.
And why the fuck would a racialist nation have some pathological need to conquer the world? Nobody wants to be at war and there's no need to enter conflict on the side of your own race in other parts of the world when your own race are all inside your own nation. What you're describing there is absolutist racial supremacy which is a whole different kettle of fish.
So:
"Thinking" racialism = early 1970s America where meritocracy still predominated and some racial disparities in outcome were understood to be acceptable if equal opportunity was demonstrated. People weren't segregated dejure, but still self-segregated to a large degree.
ThinkingUnthinking racialism = a nation for every race and a race for every nation.Unthinking racialismAbsolute racial supremacists = we need to go conquer the world and spread ourideals and cultureracial genetics through force no matter what.Far more productive approach to conversation ill get back to you when I have a minute
Glad you're happy. Not even sarcastic there. I prefer productive communication too. Looking forward to the return.
I still maintain the right to fight my corner to not be misrepresented though, I'm not gonna be anybody's passive bitch just for the sake of imaginary civility. And I don't exactly enjoy being condescended to either but whatever, let bygones be bygones I suppose.