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posted 1 year ago by ApparentlyImAHeretic 1 year ago by ApparentlyImAHeretic +31 / -0
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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

None of it is philosemitism or antisemitism, jews aren't a race, and they are certainly not the entirety of semites. No one saying hatred for Bashar Al-Assad is anti-semitism.

Jew-Hatred is really the core here. It isn't used to 'reel in disillusioned leftoids'. Fundamentally, jew-hatred is a core component of Leftism itself, and the harder you assert Leftism, the more inevitable your hatred of jews becomes because Capitalism is literally nothing more than a dog-whistle against what Marx asserted was the inherent nature of jews. It's why he believed that it was impossible for jews to exist within a Socialist society, and they would disappear as assuredly as the state would.

The only reason jew-hatred isn't the norm on the Left is because jewish intellectuals who were already Leftists wanted to try and carve out jews from the Marxist narrative. They wanted to secularize it more, and they saw Zionism as an explicit form of Progressive Nationalism. After the Holocaust, they kept trying to repeat that there wasn't anything within Socialism that supported jew-hatred, and that somehow jew-hatred was "rightist/conservative/reactionary. This effectively amounts to the earliest form of Holocaust Denial.

Where everything started to go wrong was when despite the Zionist movement have succeeded in foemen ting the state of Israel, instead of allying with the Soviet Union, and becoming a full Socialist state, the Orthodox jews that the Zionists had allied with rejected atheistic Socialism and allied themselves with the US. The Socialists and Communists never forgave them, and as the Left has moved slowly away from "racialist policies are exclusively right-wing" we see the inevitable re-emergence of jew-hatred among the Left, which was always the previous norm.

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– misogynegro 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Jew hate has been around since the Romans, what the Nazis pioneered was racialized Jew hate. Even the premise of the Inquisition was that ethnic Jews were claiming to be Catholics while secretly practicing Judaism, and Torquemada himself had Jewish ancestry.

Marxism is opposed to Jewish culture, not Jews as an ethnicity, as like Christians before them Marxists just wanted Jews to abandon their traditions and convert to the universal faith.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I'm not so sure, yes the NatSocs racialized Jew hate and certainly were the largest and most thorough proponents of it, but I don't know that they originated it. Frankly, I think Zionism probably did more to racialize jew hate by racializing jews. It's why I specifically avoid saying anti-semitism, because it's an inherent misnomer that tries to conflate jews as a race, rather than a religion or ethnic group.

I feel like, during the red era around the late 1910's-1920's, Leftist jews were kind of all over the place. Was Zionism a nationalist movement, a socialist movement, a religious movement? Could you be an ethnic but irreligious jew? Are jews a race? Does that fit into the concept of racism? Is anti-jewish racism an act of Capitalist oppression? What of eugenics?

Leftist jews just seemed to try and slam a square peg in a round hole and it ended up with a Holocaust, and no Leftist jew ever taking responsibility for adhering to an explicitly anti-jewish set of beliefs.

Marxism is opposed to Jewish culture, not Jews as an ethnicity, as like Christians before them Marxists just wanted Jews to abandon their traditions and convert to the universal faith.

I'm really not convinced of that. Part of the problem with the genuine jew hatred from the time period is that a lot of the tropes that the NatSocs would eventually use are all from this time, and are popularly held within Socialist circles. Marx is asserting that jews just won't exist when the socialist state arrives. Clearly to Braum and Marx, you'd have to abandon everything that makes you a jew, in order to be a Socialist. But then the question becomes, can a jew ever not be a jew. The sentiments that they seemed to espoused appeared to me to be a resounding "no". I think that's the first step in racialization: asserting that these traits are biologically innate.

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– misogynegro 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Hmmm...

That's a perspective on this topic I haven't heard before, and I don't mean that in a passive-aggressive way. It's pretty intriguing, actually.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I appreciate that.

Despite the stormfags slurs against me, I'm no philosemite, and there is quite a lot worth discussing about jews as a demographic in European societies, and how as the rise of the merchant classes in post-feudal Europe gave rise to integrated, secular, jewish intelligentsias; while their poor, religious, working/peasant class counter-parts had wildly different experiences.

There's also plenty of valuable discussion to be had regarding American jews (being that it's history of jew-hatred is mild by comparison, and made the US uniquely positive for jews in ethnically european countries), and Portuguese jews (which seamlessly blended into the population while prospering heavily around the trade of the Portuguese Empire). The jews who integrated the most became part of intelligentsia's and embraced Socialism and atheism, and were the target of anti-jew conspiracy claims; while segregationist and isolationist jews integrated the least, never joined the intelligentsia, remained staunchly religious, had antagonism with Leftist jews, were subjected to violence under Socialism, and were the primary stereotype traits of anti-jew sentiment.

"The Eternal Jew" actually demonstrates the weird double-think of jew-hatred with these two groups. They always focus on demonstrating poor, low IQ, immigrant, isolationist jews for the majority of their disgust conditioning and insist that this is the nature "of the eternal jew", and heavily focus on them been poor, huckstering, dirty people. Then, just abruptly, they assert that there's also this swath of super right, intelligent, integrated (subversive) jews that control the world... and who's goal it is to turn the rest of the world into the poor jewish communities they just showed you... but if that's true, why are they rich and married to Germans?

Truth is, they're mashing together a bunch of different sub-ethnic (or simply just different ethnic) groups to fit an overall narrative. But we need to have properly intelligent discussions on ethnicity with the nuance that it requires, now more than ever. You're just not going to get that from most people that aren't: Thomas Sowell & Tik History (Though Black Pidgeon Speaks has done a few good points). There's valuable information, we just can't get past the starting block of: "It's annoda shoa" said either seriously or sarcastically depending on the speaker!

Hell, it's important for American elections. Orthodox jews in NYC went from 80% Dem to 80% Rep in one election cycle because of outreach by Lee Zeldin, and anti-jew discrimination being institutionalized by Bill DeBlasio; and despite that fact, overall, most American jews will mostly be voting Democratic because they are not of that Orthodox bent. You can actually see that this is where Trump's leads are coming from with minorities if we take a careful look at nuance. He's not winning over that many urban blacks, but he's winning the majority rural blacks. He's not winning over hispanics generally; but he's winning white hispanics, anti-communist latino immigrants, and devout latino catholics. He's winning whites, but he sucks with middle-class anglos.

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