Are you one of those goofball Prots who believes in prosperity gospel bullshit?
I'm sorry but that shit is ridiculous and every "Christian" who brought usury and child genital mutilation back from the Old Testament is just a wannabe Jew.
No, I'm a white southerner who is completely and utterly tried of being attacked, especially from people who should be my allies. You using the word WASP is the same as saying someone has white privilege or that whites have an invisible knapsack full of benefits. It is an attack on white, and you are perpetuating it.
It's especially ironic given that you are catholic, aka a follower of Francis.
Catholics have no room to lecture anyone about anything.
Are you even American? No one talks about prosperity gospel. It's like you have your entire view of American religion based on a 90's TV evangelism.
I never took the term "WASP" to necessarily be anti-white, although it can be used in that way, but it's not like, say, "cracker" which is inherently derisive. But w/e, if you hate the term "WASP" I'll drop it.
Either way, it's not an attack on all Anglo-Saxons, let alone all Europeans, to say that Anglo-Protestant culture, or at least large portions of it, have sought to emulate Jews. To the point of many Prot denominations essentially being Messianic Judaism, rather than anything even close to historically Christian.
Yes I'm American, and I'm not gonna hold back on saying that Catholic cultures are simply better than Protestant cultures. I'm also not a believer in Catholicism, I just appreciate that Catholicism (along with Orthodox Christianity) preserves a lot of stuff from the Classical era. Meanwhile Prot culture, even for the non-believers, is far more Old Testament than New Testament, is iconoclastic, and literally hates beauty, so it's not really such a big surprise that Prot nations these days are full of miserable careerists looking to show off that they're #blessed while ironically signaling their false modesty with deliberately ugly aesthetics.
Every time I have ever seen someone use WASP, it has been extremely negative like a communist saying "bourgeois" level of negative. I thought everyone knew that which is why I was so hard on you for it.
As for the Catholic thing, just look at Central America to see where it leads. Their culture is very much Catholic, and very much inferior to US culture even with it's flaws. Martin Luther came about because the Catholics were letting the wealthy buy their way into heaven. The Catholic Cathedrals were statements of wealth before America was even founded and the gaudiest most gold covered churches in the world are Greek Orthodox.
Do you think that Central America would be doing any better with some form of Protestantism?
I should clarify that I'm being more flippant than I usually am on this topic and I understand that Protestantism is extremely varied, some Prot sects are alright and even the Puritans had their redeeming values. Given how successful Jews are, it's not even necessarily a bad thing to emulate some aspects of their culture, albeit with the huge caveat that extracting the "good bits" of Jewish culture is a bit like preparing that extremely poisonous Japanese puffer fish, lol.
Nonetheless, Protestant cultures have particular weaknesses to Jewish subversion, such as the mentality that poverty is always the fault of the poor, that if only the poor "worked harder" and behaved virtuously they would inevitably find success. Of course personal responsibility is a very important value to foster, no matter how unfair life may be the fact that some ethnic groups have gone from rags to riches while others remain mired in poverty shows that discipline, hard work, and frugality certainly have something to do with why some cultures prosper and others flounder.
At the same time, many European countries were fantastic places to live prior to the orc hordes arriving, and this was despite them having cultures that prioritized family and recreation above making the GDP go up. Countries like France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc, which weren't as wealthy as their Prot counterparts like much of Germany and most Nordic countries, as well as England, but were still comfortable and safe, and arguably much happier.
The Protestant work ethic definitely has its pluses, but when taken to the extreme it results in turning a blind eye to the extremely degenerative effects of unrestrained greed for fear of being accused of envy. Or worse, being accused of being a Marxist or communist. When the reality is, the rich, regardless of their racial background, are destroying their own countries in a myriad of ways, including the importation of a barbaric slave class.
But if you stop the boats, suddenly the price of groceries will skyrocket, and most people will have to subsist on rice and beans. Unless you're willing to put a strong cap on wealth accumulation and implement policies that flatten wealth inequality so that regular people have enough money in their pockets to pay for fruits and veggies that are picked by their fellow countrymen.
Somebody's gotta pick the fruit, and milk the cows, and butcher the meat, and clean the manure, and that somebody should be one of our own who can afford to raise a family on what they get. But so many on the American right have this attitude that if you do menial labor like picking fruit then you're a loser and if you think you should be able to raise a family on what you're paid then you're entitled, yet out the other side of their mouth they'll complain that not enough young Americans are having kids.
I was a libertarian a long time ago so I'm familiar with the ideology and the arguments and I think it all sounds really neat in theory, but when taken to an extreme it becomes almost as delusional as communism. We live in the real world, and in the real world you can't have nationalism without a government that's willing to tell the rich when they've had enough, because you can't have nationalism without a social contract (which libertarians typically reject), and nobody benefits from the social contract more than the rich whose property claims and money would be worthless without the state to back it up.
There's this very silly lionizing of the rich among the American right, but only a very abstract and idealised rich, whereas the American right tends to hate actual rich people. It remind me of how leftists idealize the working-class as a concept, but hate real working-class people. And sure, if you risk everything and bust your ass on making an idea into a reality, you deserve the fruits of your success, but for one, most of the rich inherited at least some of their wealth, and secondly, they still owe their success in large part to the system they operate within.
Put simply, yes, if you do the grind and work three jobs and subsist off of ramen and have no life, you may eventually end up succeeding, but it's absurd that some people have to even endure such misery - typically in their 20's when they should be having children - just to have what others their same age got handed to them. And it's particularly absurd to tell someone who was left to the wolves and had to grind their ass off to then buy into a social contract instead of prioritizing their own greed over the good of the nation. The American right needs to get over its Reaganite taboo against the condemnation of civilization-destroying unconstrained greed, and its paranoia of thinking that any and all state intervention into the economy is communism.
Are you one of those goofball Prots who believes in prosperity gospel bullshit?
I'm sorry but that shit is ridiculous and every "Christian" who brought usury and child genital mutilation back from the Old Testament is just a wannabe Jew.
No, I'm a white southerner who is completely and utterly tried of being attacked, especially from people who should be my allies. You using the word WASP is the same as saying someone has white privilege or that whites have an invisible knapsack full of benefits. It is an attack on white, and you are perpetuating it.
It's especially ironic given that you are catholic, aka a follower of Francis.
Catholics have no room to lecture anyone about anything.
Are you even American? No one talks about prosperity gospel. It's like you have your entire view of American religion based on a 90's TV evangelism.
I never took the term "WASP" to necessarily be anti-white, although it can be used in that way, but it's not like, say, "cracker" which is inherently derisive. But w/e, if you hate the term "WASP" I'll drop it.
Either way, it's not an attack on all Anglo-Saxons, let alone all Europeans, to say that Anglo-Protestant culture, or at least large portions of it, have sought to emulate Jews. To the point of many Prot denominations essentially being Messianic Judaism, rather than anything even close to historically Christian.
Yes I'm American, and I'm not gonna hold back on saying that Catholic cultures are simply better than Protestant cultures. I'm also not a believer in Catholicism, I just appreciate that Catholicism (along with Orthodox Christianity) preserves a lot of stuff from the Classical era. Meanwhile Prot culture, even for the non-believers, is far more Old Testament than New Testament, is iconoclastic, and literally hates beauty, so it's not really such a big surprise that Prot nations these days are full of miserable careerists looking to show off that they're #blessed while ironically signaling their false modesty with deliberately ugly aesthetics.
Every time I have ever seen someone use WASP, it has been extremely negative like a communist saying "bourgeois" level of negative. I thought everyone knew that which is why I was so hard on you for it.
As for the Catholic thing, just look at Central America to see where it leads. Their culture is very much Catholic, and very much inferior to US culture even with it's flaws. Martin Luther came about because the Catholics were letting the wealthy buy their way into heaven. The Catholic Cathedrals were statements of wealth before America was even founded and the gaudiest most gold covered churches in the world are Greek Orthodox.
Do you think that Central America would be doing any better with some form of Protestantism?
I should clarify that I'm being more flippant than I usually am on this topic and I understand that Protestantism is extremely varied, some Prot sects are alright and even the Puritans had their redeeming values. Given how successful Jews are, it's not even necessarily a bad thing to emulate some aspects of their culture, albeit with the huge caveat that extracting the "good bits" of Jewish culture is a bit like preparing that extremely poisonous Japanese puffer fish, lol.
Nonetheless, Protestant cultures have particular weaknesses to Jewish subversion, such as the mentality that poverty is always the fault of the poor, that if only the poor "worked harder" and behaved virtuously they would inevitably find success. Of course personal responsibility is a very important value to foster, no matter how unfair life may be the fact that some ethnic groups have gone from rags to riches while others remain mired in poverty shows that discipline, hard work, and frugality certainly have something to do with why some cultures prosper and others flounder.
At the same time, many European countries were fantastic places to live prior to the orc hordes arriving, and this was despite them having cultures that prioritized family and recreation above making the GDP go up. Countries like France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc, which weren't as wealthy as their Prot counterparts like much of Germany and most Nordic countries, as well as England, but were still comfortable and safe, and arguably much happier.
The Protestant work ethic definitely has its pluses, but when taken to the extreme it results in turning a blind eye to the extremely degenerative effects of unrestrained greed for fear of being accused of envy. Or worse, being accused of being a Marxist or communist. When the reality is, the rich, regardless of their racial background, are destroying their own countries in a myriad of ways, including the importation of a barbaric slave class.
But if you stop the boats, suddenly the price of groceries will skyrocket, and most people will have to subsist on rice and beans. Unless you're willing to put a strong cap on wealth accumulation and implement policies that flatten wealth inequality so that regular people have enough money in their pockets to pay for fruits and veggies that are picked by their fellow countrymen.
Somebody's gotta pick the fruit, and milk the cows, and butcher the meat, and clean the manure, and that somebody should be one of our own who can afford to raise a family on what they get. But so many on the American right have this attitude that if you do menial labor like picking fruit then you're a loser and if you think you should be able to raise a family on what you're paid then you're entitled, yet out the other side of their mouth they'll complain that not enough young Americans are having kids.
I was a libertarian a long time ago so I'm familiar with the ideology and the arguments and I think it all sounds really neat in theory, but when taken to an extreme it becomes almost as delusional as communism. We live in the real world, and in the real world you can't have nationalism without a government that's willing to tell the rich when they've had enough, because you can't have nationalism without a social contract (which libertarians typically reject), and nobody benefits from the social contract more than the rich whose property claims and money would be worthless without the state to back it up.
There's this very silly lionizing of the rich among the American right, but only a very abstract and idealised rich, whereas the American right tends to hate actual rich people. It remind me of how leftists idealize the working-class as a concept, but hate real working-class people. And sure, if you risk everything and bust your ass on making an idea into a reality, you deserve the fruits of your success, but for one, most of the rich inherited at least some of their wealth, and secondly, they still owe their success in large part to the system they operate within.
Put simply, yes, if you do the grind and work three jobs and subsist off of ramen and have no life, you may eventually end up succeeding, but it's absurd that some people have to even endure such misery - typically in their 20's when they should be having children - just to have what others their same age got handed to them. And it's particularly absurd to tell someone who was left to the wolves and had to grind their ass off to then buy into a social contract instead of prioritizing their own greed over the good of the nation. The American right needs to get over its Reaganite taboo against the condemnation of civilization-destroying unconstrained greed, and its paranoia of thinking that any and all state intervention into the economy is communism.