it's dumb because the prosecution even talking about uncharged crimes is never admissible. immediate grounds for mistrial.
the state statute requires the falsification be done as a furtherance of another crime. no other crime was charged. when it came up in court, the prosecutor couldn't mention one and the clown show corrupt judge cut off the discussion. then the judge proceeded to amend the jury instructions to remove an entire element... the other crime. this is ALWAYS grounds for not just appeal but vacating (canceling) the conviction.
and the federal vs state issue is busted because mueller and garland both looked at charging trump on it and passed under federal law. so there was no federal crime either.
and that's just one issue in this clown show case. there are easily a dozen more.
it's dumb because the prosecution even talking about uncharged crimes is never admissible. immediate grounds for mistrial.
the state statute requires the falsification be done as a furtherance of another crime. no other crime was charged. when it came up in court, the prosecutor couldn't mention one and the clown show corrupt judge cut off the discussion. then the judge proceeded to amend the jury instructions to remove an entire element... the other crime. this is ALWAYS grounds for not just appeal but vacating (canceling) the conviction.
Let me help you out here: the left doesn't fucking care. It's really that simple. They got the guy, and that's all they cared about. It's going to happen in both the other cases, too. Whether or not it makes sense, or is even "legal" means nothing to them. Since COVID and the prior election, they have finally discovered that they can fully use all the things the left has infested (the media, internet companies, education, entertainment, government agencies including places like the NY justice system) in as a most disgustingly biased propagandist way as they like... and nothing happens to them. Their stupid shows and newspapers take some ratings hits, sure, but - politically - they get exactly what they want. Massive propaganda works.
Seriously - that's what this is. That's all this is. Them abusing their control over those things - knowing the propaganda/control system they have constructed will protect them while they do it - to destroy someone that is a threat to them. He gets tied up with this. It costs him unfathomable amounts of money. He'll probably go to jail. It's probably even highly likely that his first round of appeals (in NY) get dismissed (look at the stupid ass Chauvin case, and appeals, and think about how that went) as I can' see why that level of NY court would be any less biased. If he's lucky, it will go higher than NY, and then he might get this sorted out.
In any event - most importantly - it gives their propagandists in the media (traditional and at all levels of the internet) the chance to run this crap from now, all the way through the election, in an attempt to program all the soft-headed "undecideds" in the middle, before they send out all the universal unsolicited mail-in ballots (the system they created last time). They only need to swing the vote a couple of percent in a couple of states to take the election (or to at least make it close enough for their "electioneering" to take it). Just like with what they did before they did that last election, they are hoping it works here, too. I.e, all those disinterested, habitually uninformed masses - people that would normally never bother to go to the polls and vote, and wouldn't even bother to request a mail in ballot - are inundated with leftist propaganda for months/years, one day they go their mail box and find a ballot they never even asked for, the indoctrination/programming kicks in, they go, "Biden? What did I like about him again? Oh, wait - man! Trump is "convicted criminal!", who's going to repeal women's rights, and end democracy!", and check the "Biden" box.
TLDR: it's the left doing what the left always does, and abusing power to maintain control.
The only parallel case is Edward’s in 2004 and I’m pretty sure that was a federal case with the payout being 1 million versus 280k. The jury was hung in that one and that was within the statute of limitations
I guess I should have been more specific. I assumed it was for "hush money", but I was asking if the circumstances were the same. It looks like they are close enough. Though in Edwards case there was an actual confirmed affair and illegitimate child, and with Trump it was a not confirmed meeting for sex.
There’s also the fact congress has a sexual harassment slush fund but that’s somehow acceptable. The Trump situation is also far different because no where in it was the money explicitly stated as hush money, they bought the “rights to their story”. Edward’s just flat out paid bribes.
The Clinton campaign misreported their Steele payments for the fake dossier and paid and tiny FEC fine. No state charges. No felonies. No jury. No court.
As much of a joke I think the whole process is, I do think that he's potentially going to get it overturned precisely because of this because all of the professionals know how it makes them look. We've seen this happen before with all the Russia hoax stuff as well as the claims of selling nuclear documents.
In both cases the media had a field day and the leftists started jerking off big time, then when he inevitably got let go the media do their larp and pretend he escaped justice because the system is broken and he's an evil rich orange man rather than it being due to their own utter incompetence and corruption. I'm very much in the Count Dankula camp on this one and I hope they're dumb enough to put him in jail because he's never going to forget that and that will mean if he does win he is going to go after his enemies like no tomorrow, which just so happen to be our enemies, an angry Trump is a useful Trump.
it's dumb because the prosecution even talking about uncharged crimes is never admissible. immediate grounds for mistrial.
the state statute requires the falsification be done as a furtherance of another crime. no other crime was charged. when it came up in court, the prosecutor couldn't mention one and the clown show corrupt judge cut off the discussion. then the judge proceeded to amend the jury instructions to remove an entire element... the other crime. this is ALWAYS grounds for not just appeal but vacating (canceling) the conviction.
and the federal vs state issue is busted because mueller and garland both looked at charging trump on it and passed under federal law. so there was no federal crime either.
and that's just one issue in this clown show case. there are easily a dozen more.
Let me help you out here: the left doesn't fucking care. It's really that simple. They got the guy, and that's all they cared about. It's going to happen in both the other cases, too. Whether or not it makes sense, or is even "legal" means nothing to them. Since COVID and the prior election, they have finally discovered that they can fully use all the things the left has infested (the media, internet companies, education, entertainment, government agencies including places like the NY justice system) in as a most disgustingly biased propagandist way as they like... and nothing happens to them. Their stupid shows and newspapers take some ratings hits, sure, but - politically - they get exactly what they want. Massive propaganda works.
Seriously - that's what this is. That's all this is. Them abusing their control over those things - knowing the propaganda/control system they have constructed will protect them while they do it - to destroy someone that is a threat to them. He gets tied up with this. It costs him unfathomable amounts of money. He'll probably go to jail. It's probably even highly likely that his first round of appeals (in NY) get dismissed (look at the stupid ass Chauvin case, and appeals, and think about how that went) as I can' see why that level of NY court would be any less biased. If he's lucky, it will go higher than NY, and then he might get this sorted out.
In any event - most importantly - it gives their propagandists in the media (traditional and at all levels of the internet) the chance to run this crap from now, all the way through the election, in an attempt to program all the soft-headed "undecideds" in the middle, before they send out all the universal unsolicited mail-in ballots (the system they created last time). They only need to swing the vote a couple of percent in a couple of states to take the election (or to at least make it close enough for their "electioneering" to take it). Just like with what they did before they did that last election, they are hoping it works here, too. I.e, all those disinterested, habitually uninformed masses - people that would normally never bother to go to the polls and vote, and wouldn't even bother to request a mail in ballot - are inundated with leftist propaganda for months/years, one day they go their mail box and find a ballot they never even asked for, the indoctrination/programming kicks in, they go, "Biden? What did I like about him again? Oh, wait - man! Trump is "convicted criminal!", who's going to repeal women's rights, and end democracy!", and check the "Biden" box.
TLDR: it's the left doing what the left always does, and abusing power to maintain control.
The only parallel case is Edward’s in 2004 and I’m pretty sure that was a federal case with the payout being 1 million versus 280k. The jury was hung in that one and that was within the statute of limitations
What was the payout for?
Hush money
I guess I should have been more specific. I assumed it was for "hush money", but I was asking if the circumstances were the same. It looks like they are close enough. Though in Edwards case there was an actual confirmed affair and illegitimate child, and with Trump it was a not confirmed meeting for sex.
There’s also the fact congress has a sexual harassment slush fund but that’s somehow acceptable. The Trump situation is also far different because no where in it was the money explicitly stated as hush money, they bought the “rights to their story”. Edward’s just flat out paid bribes.
Are we back on the "unprecedented" phase?
The Clinton campaign misreported their Steele payments for the fake dossier and paid and tiny FEC fine. No state charges. No felonies. No jury. No court.
As much of a joke I think the whole process is, I do think that he's potentially going to get it overturned precisely because of this because all of the professionals know how it makes them look. We've seen this happen before with all the Russia hoax stuff as well as the claims of selling nuclear documents.
In both cases the media had a field day and the leftists started jerking off big time, then when he inevitably got let go the media do their larp and pretend he escaped justice because the system is broken and he's an evil rich orange man rather than it being due to their own utter incompetence and corruption. I'm very much in the Count Dankula camp on this one and I hope they're dumb enough to put him in jail because he's never going to forget that and that will mean if he does win he is going to go after his enemies like no tomorrow, which just so happen to be our enemies, an angry Trump is a useful Trump.