I knew I liked them for a reason other than they fit a criteria of women I'd like to date, they get attacked from both right and left like the gamers, men and autists..
Going on from this video from Dev, there seems to a weird attack on them from the more 'manosphere' right where they are saying it's gay to like tomboys (because it's emasculating going out with a woman that works out or likes to help in men roles)
This is weird as on the flip side we have the very known left angle where they basically see tomboys and to a degree femboys as not fully transed and we need to cut their tits off to make them men
Both sides are equally retarded..
It's weird as on the one side, I think they're attacked by the left because tomboys prefer the company of men beyond a purely sexual relationship so are more inclined to be on their side and on the right I'm guessing it's because they aren't the submissive trophy wives they're supposed to be??
It's a weird horseshoe, just let the tomboys hang out with men and quit trying to doll them up or maim them..
Some of the (online) right are a bit too concerned with conforming to a rather mediocre ideal that they themselves are not even worthy of, and the left are too concerned with individualism (that is really just thinly veiled narcissism and selfishness) that leads to rather twisted results.
I have no intention of listening to any imbeciles from the "manosphere" telling me that having a wife is suddenly gay because she would like doing the things I like. (As if letting some loser e-daddy dictate your life isn't mega-levels of gay).
The only thing that matters to me is if the wife I choose truly loves God and truly loves me and that her heart and life reflect that fact. Things like hobbies are ultimately tertiary. Tomboys can be great wives and mothers. My own mother is a tomboy; she's the reason I got into anime and manga (and by extension Japanese media as a whole), and my younger brother into kung fu movies and whatnot. She's also full of love and incredibly kindhearted.
Though one thing I will say: I would probably disregard your hypothetical tomboy as a wife candidate if she has a lot of male friends. A woman having a lot of male friends is usually a big red flag, unless you don't care that your potential wife has been around the block. A few is fine if you know that said males are already in relationships themselves and that she's not been with them.
By hangs out with guys, I mean in a male dominated workspace or activity, she's not demanding it cater to her and is instead adjusting to the environment.
It's the difference between the tomboy in the video where she says she helps as much as she can but some things she isn't as capable as a woman compared to demanding practices change to cater to her.
Ah, fair enough then. Those are probably fine.
I remember back when I worked retail, one of the stocker/loaders I worked with was a woman. Probably in her late 30s or early 40s. She was a stout little firecracker. She was already married and apparently she and her husband would wrestle with each other. She was a sweet lady to me and treated me kinda like a son, but clearly pretty tough and hardened by her profession.
The right have blinders on on some of this stuff for sure. They're overgeneralizing and missing the forest for the trees. Here's the thing: I wouldn't want every girl to be a tomboy. That would be obnoxious. So the tradcons or whoever are at least partially right on the matter, they just go about it wrong and try to force it on everyone. Part of what makes tomboys so beloved is that they're not the norm. The more "traditional" people (who, as you said, often can't even live up to their own ideals) need to leave the outliers alone if they're not harming anyone. They should keep clamping down on the actual degenerates (trannies, feminists, communists), and leave the tomboys be.
It really is weird. The left uses individualism as a wedge to drive collectivism. They claim to hate individualism, but also use the worst aspects of it to drive their collectivist nightmare.
Yep, agreed generally.
I will say though I think you might be overestimating how bad it would be to have more girls be like tomboys. Obviously not every girl should be like that, but if more women had a spirit of hard work in them like a lot of men do, I believe things would be less bad than they are now.
Femininity is certainly important and vital, but I feel one of the things that got us into this mess was basically spoiling our women, and giving them everything they wanted (or at least claimed to want) without a shred of accountability or responsibility with it. We put them on a pedestal and treat them like strange alien creatures that shouldn't even be touched or expected to do anything rather than human beings like us.
Women in the past used to have to do forms of difficult work to support their families, not as bad as the men had it ofc, but still clearly a form of labor or work, like carrying heavy pails of water, laundry that involved beating clothes with sticks on rocks for hours, heavy, long amounts of cooking (often involving butchery and preparation of animals), assisting with farming/gardening/harvesting, constant child rearing, cleaning, serving, weaving, etc.
We've created a bunch of spoiled brats in their place. Women who spend their time spending their husband's money, doing online/IRL shopping, going out with their friends, eating out at restaurants constantly, getting paid services to take care of their responsibilities (including nannies), watching TV, gossiping (already existed but imo its worse now than before), unnecessary therapy, constant social media usage, complaining, focusing excessively on makeup/clothes, etc
I've seen this behavior in some of my extended family and the difference is jarring when compared to my close family, imo. My grandparents both worked themselves crazy and yet somehow still found time to do all the typical, expected responsibilities of parenting (including my grandmother, who worked long hours as a nurse) and raise both my parents/aunt/uncle, and eventually my siblings and I.
I don't think I said that. In fact, we could use a few more tomboys.
It's funny, some of the "traditionalists" are so into gender roles they're horseshoeing. Similar to how leftists are utopianists who don't work in the framework of reality, the ideal trad world can't work because perfect is the enemy of good. They want shape it so everyone woman is feminine, when that doesn't really work given the state of modern women. You can't go from this to trad across the board, and I think "tomboy" would actually help fill in some of the gaps. As others have mentioned, one of the advantages of tomboys is they want to hang out with the guys, so they end up understanding men better than some more feminine women.
Totally agreed. They'll never be as accountable as men, but it would certainly be a good thing to bring some accountability back to women. And some of that does take the shape of less "feminine" things like hard work and understanding men.
It's amazing how crucial this stuff is, and it's a big part of the problem. Entitled generations are raising entitled children, and a lot of people are just generally being shit parents now. Honestly, wish I'd had a bit more of that growing up
Very true, if it was ALL tomboys then it'd be annoying, they supposed to be more of an outlier like goths and emos which they've seem to disappear a lot more..
I'd agree but add that a lot of those trannies are tomboys, autists and other outliers that DIDN'T escape the indoctrination. The rates of detransistion and suicide prove that to be the case.
I dunno about that, almost all the lefties I meet are hiveminded drones, they're the least individualist individuals I know.
It's just part of the script to put on a thin veneer of hivemind approved quirkiness or degeneracy to let other hive members quickly identify each other.
That's why I had "that's actually just thinly veiled selfishness and narcissism" in parentheses after it.
They are made to feel like "special snowflakes" for their superficial and self-harming choices like tattoos, hair dyes, piercings, rebelling against their parents and God, "gender identity", etc,
They reject any form of individualism that affects positive change in themselves or the world.
Fair enough, my first instinct is to put the truth in the main text and explain their mistaken delusions in parentheses so I initially read that as if they had some concern with actual individualism as well as being narcissistic assholes.