The USSR was committing atrocities before and after World War II, and in fact, fear of communism was what led to the rise of Nazism to begin with. The whole 20th century was a disaster.
It was perfectly legitimate to view the Nazis as less bad than communists as of 1933. That said, those who view the Nazis positively as of 2024 are retards, because they failed even on their own terms.
Not quite, both were the fault of Germany's decision to launch a war of aggression against France in 1914. The tsar had already fallen by the time Wilson took the US into war, but the continuaton of the war then led to the fall of the Provisional Government.
The decision to remove the monarchy in Germany was also a disastrous one.
Oh I don't mean stopping the war, I mean ending it early. Wilson is the one that delayed American troops joining till they eventually did. By this time Russia had withdrawn from the war so Germany could move it's Eastern forces to reinforce the Western flank to combat the newly arriving Americans.
If they had been sent earlier (which is what Teddy wanted), Germany wouldn't have the forces to spare to reinforce, the western flank would've folded and Germany would have lost the war while Russia was under the provincial government meaning the Soviets would have never risen and in the treaty talks after, Wilson wouldn't have been invited to expel the virtues of interventionalism.
Oh I don't mean stopping the war, I mean ending it early. Wilson is the one that delayed American troops joining till they eventually did.
You're European, right? It shows, because most Americans who despise Wilson do so because he got the US involved in World War I to begin with.
It probably wasn't practical to get the US involved from the word go. Not enough elite support. So it's hard to blame that on Wilson, if you think it's blameworthy.
Germany wouldn't have the forces to spare to reinforce, the western flank would've folded and Germany would have lost the war while Russia was under the provincial government meaning the Soviets would have never risen and in the treaty talks after, Wilson wouldn't have been invited to expel the virtues of interventionalism.
The US being involved from the beginning would have meant that it would have a greater, not smaller role, in the ensuing peace negotiations. The peace treaty would probably be less harsh than it was in 1919, as it was mostly harsh because of the large French influence. Maybe that's good, maybe not. The problem with Versailles was that it punished Germany enough to make it a revisionist power, but not enough to take away its power to do anything about it - at least not without constant vigilance.
The people constructing this hellhole did not beat or oppose the Nazis, they just like to virtue-signal on the grave of the Nazis.
And not liking them doesn't mean you have to like the Nazis. In fact, like I said, the Nazis failed hard on their own terms. It is exactly the rise and defeat of Nazism that has allowed the West to become the hellhole that it is.
The USSR was committing atrocities before and after World War II, and in fact, fear of communism was what led to the rise of Nazism to begin with. The whole 20th century was a disaster.
It was perfectly legitimate to view the Nazis as less bad than communists as of 1933. That said, those who view the Nazis positively as of 2024 are retards, because they failed even on their own terms.
Can we all just collectively agree, the rise in communism during the 20th century along with Nazis was all Woodrow Wilson's fault?
True but better to get rid of the original so the evolved can't exist.
Not quite, both were the fault of Germany's decision to launch a war of aggression against France in 1914. The tsar had already fallen by the time Wilson took the US into war, but the continuaton of the war then led to the fall of the Provisional Government.
The decision to remove the monarchy in Germany was also a disastrous one.
Oh I don't mean stopping the war, I mean ending it early. Wilson is the one that delayed American troops joining till they eventually did. By this time Russia had withdrawn from the war so Germany could move it's Eastern forces to reinforce the Western flank to combat the newly arriving Americans.
If they had been sent earlier (which is what Teddy wanted), Germany wouldn't have the forces to spare to reinforce, the western flank would've folded and Germany would have lost the war while Russia was under the provincial government meaning the Soviets would have never risen and in the treaty talks after, Wilson wouldn't have been invited to expel the virtues of interventionalism.
You're European, right? It shows, because most Americans who despise Wilson do so because he got the US involved in World War I to begin with.
It probably wasn't practical to get the US involved from the word go. Not enough elite support. So it's hard to blame that on Wilson, if you think it's blameworthy.
The US being involved from the beginning would have meant that it would have a greater, not smaller role, in the ensuing peace negotiations. The peace treaty would probably be less harsh than it was in 1919, as it was mostly harsh because of the large French influence. Maybe that's good, maybe not. The problem with Versailles was that it punished Germany enough to make it a revisionist power, but not enough to take away its power to do anything about it - at least not without constant vigilance.
we never should have gotten involved
Had me in the first half there
Explain why you view the Nazis positively in 2024 (if you do).
Because their enemies have constructed this hell hole we live in now
The people constructing this hellhole did not beat or oppose the Nazis, they just like to virtue-signal on the grave of the Nazis.
And not liking them doesn't mean you have to like the Nazis. In fact, like I said, the Nazis failed hard on their own terms. It is exactly the rise and defeat of Nazism that has allowed the West to become the hellhole that it is.
You wouldn't like them cause they would have kept shit skins like yourself out of Europe.
That's pretty good, but they would have done a lot of other things as well. I don't think you need Nazism to oppose mass immigration.
That is, if they had even survived up to 2024, which the other totalitarian power certainly didn't.