First of all, great interviews, very interesting, but PLEASE bring up the following:
- terrorism and ethnic cleansing committed against Palestinians in service of establishing the state of Israel
- The King David hotel bombing
- the specific details of Israel's race-segregated system (invoking the word "apartheid" is NOT ENOUGH!)
- the creation of Hamas by Israel
The vast majority of people are totally unaware of the region's history and believe the state of Israel magically appeared in the Middle East after all the nice men decided make a little homestead for the Holocaust survivors after WWII. They have no idea that partisan Jews had a huge role in the invention of the golem of modern terrorism that plagues them to this day. This is a complete contradiction of Israel's current image as a miniature American military that only kills civilians because terrorists hide behind them.
And none of you are going to see this unfortunately, but please just admit that killing and raping settlers is a bad thing. It's not hard!! Then you can stand on higher moral ground and we won't have to watch 5 straight minutes of "u condemn war crimes first."
Great post.
Inb4 Dom “it’s questionable but I’ll allow it” stickied comment
It's ok, Antonio is already diligently clogging up the thread.
Post Reported for: Rule 16 - Identity Attacks
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/u/MargarineMongoose , I don't sticky these.
Also, they're not going to admit killing & raping settlers is bad, because it's not bad to them.
Invention? So called Palestinians were targeted Israelis and Jews in general for terrorism for decades before the founding of Hamas. To say that Israel created Hamas is retarded, but Israel's early support for Hamas made sense to weaken the PLO - which was just as terrorist as Hamas.
They kill far fewer civilians than the American military and wage their wars with far more justification. They don't go around wrecking countries on the other side of the world because they feel like it.
None of the victims of Hamas's assault were 'settlers' as far as I know.
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation" -Avner Cohen
Actual Israeli government officials disagree with you. Then again, maybe you have a higher ranking in the Israeli government than Mr. Cohen. That would explain a lot.
The US fights on the other side of the world on behalf of Israel (see the infamous Clean Break memo). You are trying to launder Israel's crimes by throwing American patsies under the bus.
LOL.
It is close to impossible to 'create' a deeply rooted organization in a nation you are not a part of. So the idea that you're going to do that is simply not credible. Regardless, let's see what Cohen himself self said, beyond some soundbite:
So basically what I said.
No state does that sort of thing.
It's definitely more than a soundbite, but the on the nose (kek) contradiction with what you said was too funny. Netanyahu's governments have continued to prop up Hamas long after they became increasingly radicalized. It has nothing to do with pitting two terrorist groups against each other either. He did it to prevent Palestinian statehood.
A state that allows foreign lobbyist to wield political power absolutely will do that. Toppling Sadam, for example, was something Israel wanted as the Clean Break memo outlines.
I said modern terrorism as practiced with bombings for targeted political effect like the Murrah bombing, first WTC attack, bus bombings etc.
Israel is responsible for Hamas coming to power - call it whatever you want.
The irony!! We wreck countries on the other side of the world because Israel feels like it. We take out regional rivals and they don't have to fire a shot!
I used that word because kibbutzes are often referred to as "settlements," but who cares. Civilians, Israelis, whatever.
Not sure what that's got to do with "partisan Jews" creating them. Can you explain that?
It really isn't though. You can blame Israel for other stuff relating to Hamas, alleged support in the very early days of the 1980s, or using it as a wedge from 2009 onward, but this?
I've never seen people who make this claim in any way substantiate that "Israel" was behind the Iraq war. However, there is evidence that then Israeli PM Ariel Sharon warned Bush against invading Iraq.
Oh, OK. I've seen very bad takes claiming that "settlers are not civilians", and using "settlers" as a synonym for all inhabitants of what those tards call a 'colonial country', so that stood out a bit for me.
Sure, it's simple. As the Wright Brothers are to the airplane, so the Irgun are to the political bombing.
Somebody already posted the Avner Cohen quote below. There has been no reckoning for that.
Please lol, we have taken out or taken over so many rivals to Israel. We flattened Iraq and reshaped it. Wrecked Gaddafi. Installed Egypt's government. Attempted to wreck Assad. Cui bono in all cases is Israel just as much as America, even more so. edit: and this is substantiated with the Clean Break memo as Arch pointed out.
Yeah it is very confusing.
Long before the Irgun was engaging in political bombing, it was anarchists and suffragettes. Remember them?
I just did. It's a gross exaggeration.
And you think it's extraordinary that countries share the same enemies? The friend of my enemy is my enemy, after all. It's just so illogical for anyone to assume that a superpower goes around the world 'taking out' countries on behalf of a weak client state. Particularly when there is no evidence at all supporting the connection.
Let me put it this way: if the US goes to war with Russia ostensibly over Ukraine (which I don't think it will), I'll assure you that it had nothing to do with supporting that prop of a country, just like the Western countries that entered World War II against Germany nominally over Poland did so because of balance of power, not because of some fondness for Poland.
Lol so you're pivoting to a different group of Jews? Great, but:
Bomb-throwers =/= bombing. Modern terrorism is characterized by heavy planted explosives, not molotovs.
There's more than enough reason to believe that the destiny of Hamas would be different without Israeli involvement.
YES!! The world doesn't line up neatly along the Axis of Evil marketed to cable news war fans. There is realpolitik behind every political alignment, not the ridiculous idea that "irrationality" and "Jew hatred" explains all.
That "weak client state" carries the support of some of the richest and most powerful people in the US. Powerful enough to annihilate one of the most successful rappers in weeks and cancel heretofore invincible nonbinary Ivy students who could talk about their hatred of white men (the most powerful American demo on paper) with no repercussions.
"Client state" is such an amusing double entendre that I wonder if you're just dicking around at this point.
Israel is a weapons testing facility for the US. We aren't going to crush Iran because they say so. We're going to crush Iran because it gives us access to resources.
These guys always come out of the woodwork in these threads. It's interesting to note that most of the comments on these threads come from the same 10 weirdos, and barely anyone else even bothers. Almost like this shit isn't exactly organic.