If this comparison is for how both intelligence services fucked up, that's about right.
What I'm more concerned about is how I'm getting stories of how the Obama and Biden administration might've filled the intelligence services with more Iran leaning people that might've made this info got withheld from Israel.
If the '5 eyes' is too compromised to function for allies, that's another black mark against chosing to ally with America, Biden is burning through them quick on his run!
Setting your point aside, is there anything that prevents the Israeli government from spying on its own people?
As far as intelligence failures, the two aren't even in the same ballpark. The United States is massive. Israel is a tiny speck of land in comparison.
US intelligence agencies knew something was brewing (including possible attacks via taking control of commercial aircraft), but they never had specifics.
You could argue they should have caught on when the Saudi foreigners signed up for flight school. I don't know how realistic that is though.
The Egyptians vaguely knew something was up so tried to warn them. From a lot of sources Mosaad became too dependent on tech that Hamas and Iran exploited that.
As for spying on their own people, that I do not know. If they're like every other western country, that shouldn't be an issue...
If the '5 eyes' is too compromised to function for allies, that's another black mark against chosing to ally with America, Biden is burning through them quick on his run!
I've been thinking about the global surveillance state a lot, and I think shit like this will be a faint ray of hope.
Post 9/11 and with the creation of the DHS the emphasis was on changing "silo's" where the CIA wouldn't share with the FBI to retain credit, to "info sharing" so now the CIA knows when you purchase a car at a local dealership due to info sharing.
What this does is open info leaking up to a whole lot of people. Bradley Manning just downloaded everything onto a CD and walked out with it. THere's no way he should have had access to it in the first place.
If the intelligence agencies go back to silo'ing and hoarding info they may interfere with each other and get a whole lot less efficient.
Proportionally, if someone breaks into my house and kills me, it’s a greater tragedy than 9/11. After all, 100% of the people who live in my house have been killed. It’s basically a complete genocide.
Oh, in that case no as 4 goddamn passenger planes smashing into shit is way more deadly due to size and what they potentially can hit than a massive border incursion.
Sure I was talking about potential not how many actually died.
If situations reversed, Israel would still suffer massive causalities if there were 4 planes striking targets within it
An armed border incursion by Mexico would probably be destroyed in a few minutes in the US, Israel had all the means to repel it but it's over dependence on technology is why so many suffered.
At what point does per capita matter? Does a mass shooting at a school become more tragic than 9/11 because a greater percentage of the student body died? Fuck off with this gerrymandering of victimhood. The individuals always pull this shit. They always focus on whatever metric maximizes their victim status.
Why 11 million? Did the Nazis kill 11 million people? No? They killed more? So why fixate on 11 million.
If this comparison is for how both intelligence services fucked up, that's about right.
What I'm more concerned about is how I'm getting stories of how the Obama and Biden administration might've filled the intelligence services with more Iran leaning people that might've made this info got withheld from Israel.
If the '5 eyes' is too compromised to function for allies, that's another black mark against chosing to ally with America, Biden is burning through them quick on his run!
Setting your point aside, is there anything that prevents the Israeli government from spying on its own people?
As far as intelligence failures, the two aren't even in the same ballpark. The United States is massive. Israel is a tiny speck of land in comparison.
US intelligence agencies knew something was brewing (including possible attacks via taking control of commercial aircraft), but they never had specifics.
You could argue they should have caught on when the Saudi foreigners signed up for flight school. I don't know how realistic that is though.
The Egyptians vaguely knew something was up so tried to warn them. From a lot of sources Mosaad became too dependent on tech that Hamas and Iran exploited that.
As for spying on their own people, that I do not know. If they're like every other western country, that shouldn't be an issue...
Everyone wants to rely on tech for Intel gathering. Can't beat humint though
I'm not sure, which is why I asked, but afaik they don't have a constitution.
When they founded the country, they gave a deadline for passing a constitution but it never happened.
I've been thinking about the global surveillance state a lot, and I think shit like this will be a faint ray of hope. Post 9/11 and with the creation of the DHS the emphasis was on changing "silo's" where the CIA wouldn't share with the FBI to retain credit, to "info sharing" so now the CIA knows when you purchase a car at a local dealership due to info sharing. What this does is open info leaking up to a whole lot of people. Bradley Manning just downloaded everything onto a CD and walked out with it. THere's no way he should have had access to it in the first place.
If the intelligence agencies go back to silo'ing and hoarding info they may interfere with each other and get a whole lot less efficient.
Proportionally, if someone breaks into my house and kills me, it’s a greater tragedy than 9/11. After all, 100% of the people who live in my house have been killed. It’s basically a complete genocide.
Oh, in that case no as 4 goddamn passenger planes smashing into shit is way more deadly due to size and what they potentially can hit than a massive border incursion.
Do you understand "per capita"?
3k of 300 million vs 1-2k of 10 million.
Sure I was talking about potential not how many actually died.
If situations reversed, Israel would still suffer massive causalities if there were 4 planes striking targets within it
An armed border incursion by Mexico would probably be destroyed in a few minutes in the US, Israel had all the means to repel it but it's over dependence on technology is why so many suffered.
At what point does per capita matter? Does a mass shooting at a school become more tragic than 9/11 because a greater percentage of the student body died? Fuck off with this gerrymandering of victimhood. The individuals always pull this shit. They always focus on whatever metric maximizes their victim status.
Why 11 million? Did the Nazis kill 11 million people? No? They killed more? So why fixate on 11 million.
https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians
Er what? I'm taking about how the Democrats are actively burning through EVERY reason to be allied with America and you're spouting nonsense?