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Tbf, the idea is to build your own set of values by analyzing what's presented to you as opposed to blindly following anyone. This is what a leftist would argue after reading this meme. Which is true but very hypocritical coming from them as they're definitely pushing their own morality to kids. At the end of the day, an inquisitive mind would never settle on wokeness because it has no logical foundation. You're much more likely to follow Christian values because it's pure high level "be nice" common sense.
Well, "be nice until someone decides not to be" common sense. Which is the best common sense.
Unless their first strike takes you out, then it's just a nice sounding platitude.
The key issue is "someone" "decided not to be nice" a long, long time ago. I think their names were Cain and Abel? Prior to that, yeah, be nice until someone decides not to be. Someone decided it way before our time, though.
Building your own set of values being a desirable outcome is itself a value set.
There is no day zero for morality. Liberalism itself is a grand experiment and compromise in itself. Recognizing that conflict is costly, and that ignoring differences where possible is preferable to constant war. Thus we draw up rules of engagement for conflict and decision making that affects the collective, and fuck off about everything else.
It's a failed experiment obviously, and it can't be reattempted until Good people eradicate the institutional evil around us. And start over.
So at this point Christians will need to impose their values again, and non'-christians will fall in line or civilized society dies for the foreseeable future. Because that's how we achieved it in the first place
Fair though I do worry about the last paragraph. The main issue is that people have never agreed on what's the objective. There is no established universal destination for society at large. Everyone has this idea of a utopia but no one tells you what you should do once you're there beside enjoy it. Are we to assume then that maximizing enjoyment is the end goal? Or is there no greater purpose? A morale paradigm needs to answer those questions if it is to unite us forward. Christianity brought us to the peak of western civilization but had no say into where else we should go once we got there. I'd argue this is why it stopped being fashionable. That's not to say that our lives couldn't have been better then but merely that they were confortable enough. At that point, people search for a greater purpose. Most will settle for self-indulgence while some others will throw themselves at a random cause. This is what led to the chaos and morale depravity of today. If Christianity had a good answer, we wouldn't be here and if Christianity leads us to where we were, we'll come back here again.
Well quite. humanity is failure incarnate, it's in our nature.
Living in accordance with God's law is the only possible way towards reducing coercion and violence.
So no. It does have an answer, it's that human society is not capable of an end goal, and that the only path for liberal ideologies to survive is to hide under an objective framework that permits it to exist.
This is only possible under Christainity which recognizes the foreigner and condems coercion in favor of forgiveness.
I've said all along that leftist in the United States attempts to adopt Puritian methods and frameworks without having the baseline required to make them reasonable. They claim they deserve power because they think they deserve power.
My whole comment is based on the idea of wanting a liberal society where each can decide those things themselves. It's self contradictory as the only way this is even possible is through magniminious Christianity.
One small problem with that: people are incapable of building their own values. Straight up incapable.
Of course they would; their worldview is based on nihilsim, literally nothing.
The advantage to religions, especially old ones, is not that people blindly follow them, but that they've been tested for thousands of years. Whatever questions you have, have already been asked and answered countless times.
Frankly, the idea that anyone can just "build their own set of values" which are able to account for both reality and human nature, within a single lifetime, is ridiculous. Even if you could, you'd be in your 60s before you could ever begin to start acting morally.
Socrates, a man who actually made the attempt, had his ideas leap-frogged by his student in his own lifetime, and the average man is far from Socrates. Even Plato's ideas seem quaint, even childish, by today's standards. Not because he was foolish, but because other great men who came after him expanded and reworked his ideas into a much closer approximation of truth, a process of refinement, not spontaneous creation.
I would also say that if you think Christianity can be boiled down to "be nice", you understand neither Christianity or "niceness". "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you" is far from nice, not if you posess discipline and self-respect.
False all around. The age of an idea doesn't correlate with the absolute validity of its principles but by an umbrella of other factors. For example, the power of who promotes it. An idea can survive for thousands of years and still be wrong. See flat earthers.
Do you need to rediscover the wheel to build a car? No. Similarly you don't need to build your values from scratch.. you only need to read what was written and logically establish if it's applicable to you or not. As a matter of fact, this is perfectly demonstrated by your Socrates point. His students were able to leapfrog him BECAUSE they learned from him first.
Finally you can go play semantic and "who's the better Christian scholar" alone. That doesn't interest me. Though I'll say that judging by the lack of humility in your post, you have a bit more reading to do.
Yeah that does sound like what a leftist would say. Problem is we're talking about children. They can't build their own values yet. They need a solid framework to start from.
Sadly most people are simple followers.