even the tiniest threat to the feds will be met with the fullest extent of the law, because that is what federal law is ultimately for. they don't care about you, they don't care about me, and they certainly don't care about their voters. we can all starve for all they care, and many of them secretly hope it.
even the tiniest threat to the feds will be met with the fullest extent of the law
Worth the constant reminder that the entire Ruby Ridge fiasco (and with it Waco and Oklahoma City) happened entirely because the Feds were "concerned" that he might be moving unlawful guns so they attempted a honeypot using plants that had to basically force him into moving their unlawful guns just to try and arrest a dude literally living in the middle of nowhere.
And their arrest attempts involved armed agents on literal dog kill teams and snipers shooting women holding infants. All for guns they themselves made illegal and suspected he might be interested in doing the same.
Hundreds upon hundreds of deaths, just so the Feds could flex their power over people who had committed no crimes.
literal dog kill teams and snipers shooting women holding infants.
There were no "dog kill teams". The US Marshalls and another agency deputy (I forget which, could have been ATF), were doing armed surveillance of the house and got caught when the family did an armed patrol of their property. Dog charged the agents, and the agents shot the dog, prompting the son of the family to shoot at the agents, prompting the agents to shoot him.
The sniper did shoot Jackie(?), however, he couldn't see her, and wasn't aiming for her. The sniper testified that he was actually given instructions by the FBI to shoot ALL persons on the property, armed or not. He decided that ROE was way too extreme, tried to get clarification that they were only to engage armed men specifically. The FBI never got back to him. He reported hearing gunfire and assumed it was family members shooting at the orbiting helicopter. He saw a line of people headed back into the house, one of them armed with a rifle, and fired at the man holding a gun who was opening a door into the garage. Jackie happened to be standing on the opposite side of the door while the man was trying to get in. The bullet passed through him, through the door, and through her.
None of this explains the behavior of the FBI and ATF, especially when the FBI is giving orders to shoot everyone, and the snipers themselves think that's crazy.
Appreciate the correction. I had confused the Waco team with the guy who just went and shot the dog while doing something else. So it wasn't a "dog kill team" specifically, it was just a trespasser who shot a dog protecting their property and then a kid upset you shot their dog. Not sarcasm, just explaining how I made the mistake in my mind.
Jackie happened to be standing on the opposite side of the door
You know, when you are an absurdly trained special agent for the top level government engaging with American citizens on American property for a honeypot gone wrong and you "Aren't sure about the ROE" I don't think you should fire at all, and the fact that you did anyway makes me question if everything else you said wasn't just you trying to cover your ass by making yourself sound blameless and trying to "do the right thing."
Like, even if everything he testified is 100% the truth, that doesn't make it any better. It just makes the government look worse and him look like an untrustable loose agent who just fires without knowing the full extent of the situation and gets random people killed. Which he already looked like, but now he looks less like a cold sociopath and more like an idiot which is almost worse.
Businesses need to move out. Interesting how the attacks in court houses there were ok but Jan 6 was sacred territory
even the tiniest threat to the feds will be met with the fullest extent of the law, because that is what federal law is ultimately for. they don't care about you, they don't care about me, and they certainly don't care about their voters. we can all starve for all they care, and many of them secretly hope it.
Worth the constant reminder that the entire Ruby Ridge fiasco (and with it Waco and Oklahoma City) happened entirely because the Feds were "concerned" that he might be moving unlawful guns so they attempted a honeypot using plants that had to basically force him into moving their unlawful guns just to try and arrest a dude literally living in the middle of nowhere.
And their arrest attempts involved armed agents on literal dog kill teams and snipers shooting women holding infants. All for guns they themselves made illegal and suspected he might be interested in doing the same.
Hundreds upon hundreds of deaths, just so the Feds could flex their power over people who had committed no crimes.
There were no "dog kill teams". The US Marshalls and another agency deputy (I forget which, could have been ATF), were doing armed surveillance of the house and got caught when the family did an armed patrol of their property. Dog charged the agents, and the agents shot the dog, prompting the son of the family to shoot at the agents, prompting the agents to shoot him.
The sniper did shoot Jackie(?), however, he couldn't see her, and wasn't aiming for her. The sniper testified that he was actually given instructions by the FBI to shoot ALL persons on the property, armed or not. He decided that ROE was way too extreme, tried to get clarification that they were only to engage armed men specifically. The FBI never got back to him. He reported hearing gunfire and assumed it was family members shooting at the orbiting helicopter. He saw a line of people headed back into the house, one of them armed with a rifle, and fired at the man holding a gun who was opening a door into the garage. Jackie happened to be standing on the opposite side of the door while the man was trying to get in. The bullet passed through him, through the door, and through her.
None of this explains the behavior of the FBI and ATF, especially when the FBI is giving orders to shoot everyone, and the snipers themselves think that's crazy.
Appreciate the correction. I had confused the Waco team with the guy who just went and shot the dog while doing something else. So it wasn't a "dog kill team" specifically, it was just a trespasser who shot a dog protecting their property and then a kid upset you shot their dog. Not sarcasm, just explaining how I made the mistake in my mind.
You know, when you are an absurdly trained special agent for the top level government engaging with American citizens on American property for a honeypot gone wrong and you "Aren't sure about the ROE" I don't think you should fire at all, and the fact that you did anyway makes me question if everything else you said wasn't just you trying to cover your ass by making yourself sound blameless and trying to "do the right thing."
Like, even if everything he testified is 100% the truth, that doesn't make it any better. It just makes the government look worse and him look like an untrustable loose agent who just fires without knowing the full extent of the situation and gets random people killed. Which he already looked like, but now he looks less like a cold sociopath and more like an idiot which is almost worse.
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