I'm going to do a full argument about this I think because you would be surprised how many people can actually at least end up looking cute or normal if they took five seconds to take care of themselves
I generally agree, but let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery, or more likely more than "five seconds to take care of themselves" worth of make-up and preening in front of a mirror. Sure, she's not a fatty or turning to excessive drug use (regardless of the drug), but there are plenty of people out there that are average looking and aren't like that without being ugly. Hand her a wet-wipe and you'll see a significant difference. Hell, just go look at any number of e-thots without their heavily caked on make-up routines.
Grooming, hygiene and general self-care regarding looks does a lot, a lot more than many believe, but it's not the only factor, and as you've made mention of, weight is a major factor in that. Even mentioning yourself that you're "pushing [yourself] to get into a bit more of a regular routine", which would be more than that 5 seconds hyperbole you laid out earlier. It's not minor effort, it's habitual effort.
Note, I do think most people without some kind of deformity are capable of looking normal, and never suggested otherwise either. But when it comes to characters people want to be, they want to be the best. Nobody wants to be the ugly character without some kind of other reason that over-rides that base nature. Everyone wants to be considered desirable, regardless of their personal stance. Yes, even beautiful people want to be desired and not considered ugly. Hell, even the SJWs that look like dogs vomit want to be desired, that's why they bitch and moan about "conventional beauty standards". It's not about beauty, it's about being perceived as desirable, they just go about it by trying to change everyone else instead of themselves.
I live in a rural area where all the women between 18 and 30 are remarkably, almost puzzlingly attractive, whereas most of them over 40 are hideous trolls. It took me a while to figure out what was going on. Youth alone does not even come close to explaining the difference.
What I was observing is the effects of alcoholism, smoking, 3 daily Big Macs, and zero exercise has on a person. They are genetically blessed with good looks, but they've destroyed their bodies with vice. The younger girls don't smoke, they exercise, and as far as I can tell they keep it to a mimosa or two on weekends. Their mothers, on the other hand, guzzle beer and diet soda all day while rarely standing up, much less exercising.
I think the average person is fairly attractive. We just live in a culture that celebrates self-destructive behavior so we rarely see people who retained their natural beauty.
let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery
This response makes me sad.
She's definitely pretty -- I'd put her at above average compared to my high school graduating class; probably an 8 or so. Nowhere near the top. Definitely not a "genetic lottery winner" candidate unless you're talking about winning a $20 scratch ticket.
Are people really so desperate that she is somehow crazy attractive? Is this how far we've fallen since the '80s and '90s?
Me too, and I beg anyone over the age of say 30 to pull out their high school yearbooks or the VHS player and their home movies.
I just pulled out my HS yearbook from the year I graduated, and even the most homely girls looked closer to the right than the left. And most of them were on the volleyball and/or softball teams and therefore would have made up for their homeliness in other ways.
And the home movie footage of the family waterslide park trip from the late 80s? I don't remember seeing a single fat person.
Sorry, when I said "genetic lottery", I wasn't to imply she's some supremely attractive person, just that if that's purely natural looks without any makeup, it's a win that most people won't have. I know it's not though, I know there's makeup there.
So no, I don't think she's "crazy attractive", but was more a comment on makeup. My bad for being unclear.
let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery
I suggest you visit Poland and pay attention to any woman who is youthful and takes care of her looks. You will come to conclusion that Poland is one huge genetic lottery honeypot.
I generally agree, but let's not pretend the one on the right is anything less than either a genetic lottery, or more likely more than "five seconds to take care of themselves" worth of make-up and preening in front of a mirror. Sure, she's not a fatty or turning to excessive drug use (regardless of the drug), but there are plenty of people out there that are average looking and aren't like that without being ugly. Hand her a wet-wipe and you'll see a significant difference. Hell, just go look at any number of e-thots without their heavily caked on make-up routines.
Grooming, hygiene and general self-care regarding looks does a lot, a lot more than many believe, but it's not the only factor, and as you've made mention of, weight is a major factor in that. Even mentioning yourself that you're "pushing [yourself] to get into a bit more of a regular routine", which would be more than that 5 seconds hyperbole you laid out earlier. It's not minor effort, it's habitual effort.
Note, I do think most people without some kind of deformity are capable of looking normal, and never suggested otherwise either. But when it comes to characters people want to be, they want to be the best. Nobody wants to be the ugly character without some kind of other reason that over-rides that base nature. Everyone wants to be considered desirable, regardless of their personal stance. Yes, even beautiful people want to be desired and not considered ugly. Hell, even the SJWs that look like dogs vomit want to be desired, that's why they bitch and moan about "conventional beauty standards". It's not about beauty, it's about being perceived as desirable, they just go about it by trying to change everyone else instead of themselves.
I live in a rural area where all the women between 18 and 30 are remarkably, almost puzzlingly attractive, whereas most of them over 40 are hideous trolls. It took me a while to figure out what was going on. Youth alone does not even come close to explaining the difference.
What I was observing is the effects of alcoholism, smoking, 3 daily Big Macs, and zero exercise has on a person. They are genetically blessed with good looks, but they've destroyed their bodies with vice. The younger girls don't smoke, they exercise, and as far as I can tell they keep it to a mimosa or two on weekends. Their mothers, on the other hand, guzzle beer and diet soda all day while rarely standing up, much less exercising.
I think the average person is fairly attractive. We just live in a culture that celebrates self-destructive behavior so we rarely see people who retained their natural beauty.
This response makes me sad.
She's definitely pretty -- I'd put her at above average compared to my high school graduating class; probably an 8 or so. Nowhere near the top. Definitely not a "genetic lottery winner" candidate unless you're talking about winning a $20 scratch ticket.
Are people really so desperate that she is somehow crazy attractive? Is this how far we've fallen since the '80s and '90s?
Me too, and I beg anyone over the age of say 30 to pull out their high school yearbooks or the VHS player and their home movies.
I just pulled out my HS yearbook from the year I graduated, and even the most homely girls looked closer to the right than the left. And most of them were on the volleyball and/or softball teams and therefore would have made up for their homeliness in other ways.
And the home movie footage of the family waterslide park trip from the late 80s? I don't remember seeing a single fat person.
My combined 6th grade class of about 100 had a fat kid.
Sorry, when I said "genetic lottery", I wasn't to imply she's some supremely attractive person, just that if that's purely natural looks without any makeup, it's a win that most people won't have. I know it's not though, I know there's makeup there.
So no, I don't think she's "crazy attractive", but was more a comment on makeup. My bad for being unclear.
I suggest you visit Poland and pay attention to any woman who is youthful and takes care of her looks. You will come to conclusion that Poland is one huge genetic lottery honeypot.