Yes, but so what? Timcast fans are saying he wiped the floor with her, simps and trannies are saying she ebinly smacked him down, and both sides go on smugly believing they "won" yet another argument. Meanwhile, what actually transpired? An NPC delivered predictable NPC talking points straight from her masters at Actblue and Tim countered them with facts anyone with an IQ over 60 already knows. Nothing of any substance actually happened here. Nobody learned anything. Nobody's mind was changed. This is the very definition of sound and fury.
That's a good point. We should always seek to demoralize ourselves and shit all over any attempt to counter Leftist rhetorical warfare so that we can sodomize ourselves with black-pills.
Remember, we can only win the culture war by defeating ourselves, and ignoring any potential positive outcome.
Schizo take. Platforming a propagandist - even for the purpose of "debating" her - is not countering their rhetoric. There is no rhetoric. It's all phantoms who will be gone before you finish destroying them with facts and logic.
This is what almost nobody understands. THE LEFT HAVE NO BELIEFS. You can "counter" all you want, but you will achieve nothing. This woman doesn't believe a single thing she's saying. It's all noises being fed through her lizard brain by whoever's paying her. She is not capable of having beliefs. She is a soulless golem animated by avarice. By the time you get done formulating the perfect response, her "belief system" has changed entirely and now you have to start over. Her existence serves only one purpose: to waste your time arguing with someone who does not exist.
The only appropriate thing to say to a propagandist is "kill yourself". Anything beyond that and you're playing their game on their terms.
This is not about convincing the opposition.
You can say "anyone who is not an idiot already knows this reeee", but then you are ignoring the fact that developing your political opinion is a process AND not everyone is 45 years old.
Hands up everybody, who among us was at least somewhat of a naive and retarded semi-lib-ish moron at one point.
I know for a fact I wasn't born knowing about a lot of things that are facts informing my current political views. And I didn't grow up in a heavily liberal envorinment either.
What new facts or information are being shared here that couldn't be shared in a much more efficient and effective way by simply stating them? Virtually everyone knows about these books because the left won't shut the fuck up about them, and if someone somehow doesn't know about them, this is a terrible way to introduce them to the topic.
If someone is capable of being moral, simply learning that there are books with gay porn, masturbation, and instructions on how to join a hookup app in schools will suffice to immediately inspire them to hate leftism. However, they may require proof for such a frankly extraordinary claim. Some guy wearing a beanie saying "trust me bro" is not proof. Screenshots are proof. Scans are proof. Show them the facts. Let them decide for themselves. That's what worked for me.
I personally credit zero percent of my current political awareness to internet cat fights, and I'd bet that almost everyone else would do the same if they really thought about it.
This is what almost nobody understands. THE LEFT HAVE NO BELIEFS. You can "counter" all you want, but you will achieve nothing. This woman doesn't believe a single thing she's saying. It's all noises being fed through her lizard brain by whoever's paying her.
As with all debates, you are not trying to make your opponent recant.......... Instead, you are showing the audience that you are right and she is wrong.
Careful. Deploying this leftist trope suggests that you actually believe in this "deplatforming" nonsense as a political tactic (denying someone an opportunity to speak publicly because of his political position). The left uses this method because their positions are morally indefensible and frequently irrational, as the Pool podcast discussion shows in no uncertain terms.
Also, debates between woke Marxists and non-revolutionaries can inform a larger section of the public about critical Marxist nonsense and the danger it poses. The more people see the way the left lies and obfuscates reality and truth, the better.
The Left is also known for their projection; they attack the "platforming" of ideologues because they platform ideologues. See CNN, New York Times, or Guardian editorials for examples.
I agree that sunlight is the best disinfectant, but for that to work, you have to let them run, not shut them down.
Leftism is a Philosophy of War. They have beliefs, but you are dealing with someone who's beliefs are around the conquest of power. Yes, actually, there is rhetoric. In fact, it's all rhetorical warfare.
You are mistakenly accepting Leftist Sophistry as it's framework. That's not the case. The sophistry is merely a tactic; a means to an end. Yes, she does exist, and yes she is dangerous. No, the purpose is not to debate them, but to defeat her in front of others so that they know how to defeat Leftists as they arrive.
He only defeated her in the eyes of people already on his side though. She's been using this interview as proof that she defeated him and using it to advertise her propaganda show, and her boasting has a lot more reach because it has DNC money behind it. It's a net negative outcome for the side of truth.
If he had definitively proven her wrong about something, I could see where you're coming from. But he didn't. He asked her "do you hold these reprehensible beliefs?", she proudly replied "yes, I am an evil pedophile", he said "that's bad", and she said "nuh uh". A zero information exchange. As I said in another comment, reasonable humans don't need to be convinced that pedophilia is bad. They know it instinctively. So repeating "this woman is a pedophile, and that's bad" is just preaching to the choir.
There is no "neutral side" in this debate. You don't convince a child-fucker to become a good person by pointing out flaws in their logic.
I think you’re close to correct for anyone already “in” the culture war—it’s like how after each Presidential debate, everyone thinks their candidate clearly won—but you’d be surprised what a small percentage of the population is really involved in the culture war. I think stuff like this is useful even on the off-chance that a “normie” will see it, because a lot of how the woke brigade has gained so much power and influence is by creating conditions where their voice and their arguments predominate and there can be consequences for saying anything else. A lot of people in the world know something screwy is going on but just need to hear someone with a platform articulate the counter-arguments. We win the culture war by giving normal people the courage and confidence to call wokeism what it is, not a liberation movement but a crazy alliance between racist grifters and mentally ill pedophiles. So I sort of agree with you for people already on this forum but I think it’s useful for less involved people.
A lot of people in the world know something screwy is going on but just need to hear someone with a platform articulate the counter-arguments. We win the culture war by giving normal people the courage and confidence to call wokeism what it is.
100%. I think in time the reality of the horrors of critical Marxist wokeness will sink in more generally, but only if people keep hammering away at it and confronting it at every opportunity--the larger the audience the better.
Yes, but so what? Timcast fans are saying he wiped the floor with her, simps and trannies are saying she ebinly smacked him down, and both sides go on smugly believing they "won" yet another argument. Meanwhile, what actually transpired? An NPC delivered predictable NPC talking points straight from her masters at Actblue and Tim countered them with facts anyone with an IQ over 60 already knows. Nothing of any substance actually happened here. Nobody learned anything. Nobody's mind was changed. This is the very definition of sound and fury.
That's a good point. We should always seek to demoralize ourselves and shit all over any attempt to counter Leftist rhetorical warfare so that we can sodomize ourselves with black-pills.
Remember, we can only win the culture war by defeating ourselves, and ignoring any potential positive outcome.
Thank you for your contribution.
Schizo take. Platforming a propagandist - even for the purpose of "debating" her - is not countering their rhetoric. There is no rhetoric. It's all phantoms who will be gone before you finish destroying them with facts and logic.
This is what almost nobody understands. THE LEFT HAVE NO BELIEFS. You can "counter" all you want, but you will achieve nothing. This woman doesn't believe a single thing she's saying. It's all noises being fed through her lizard brain by whoever's paying her. She is not capable of having beliefs. She is a soulless golem animated by avarice. By the time you get done formulating the perfect response, her "belief system" has changed entirely and now you have to start over. Her existence serves only one purpose: to waste your time arguing with someone who does not exist.
The only appropriate thing to say to a propagandist is "kill yourself". Anything beyond that and you're playing their game on their terms.
This is not about convincing the opposition.
You can say "anyone who is not an idiot already knows this reeee", but then you are ignoring the fact that developing your political opinion is a process AND not everyone is 45 years old.
Hands up everybody, who among us was at least somewhat of a naive and retarded semi-lib-ish moron at one point.
I know for a fact I wasn't born knowing about a lot of things that are facts informing my current political views. And I didn't grow up in a heavily liberal envorinment either.
What new facts or information are being shared here that couldn't be shared in a much more efficient and effective way by simply stating them? Virtually everyone knows about these books because the left won't shut the fuck up about them, and if someone somehow doesn't know about them, this is a terrible way to introduce them to the topic.
If someone is capable of being moral, simply learning that there are books with gay porn, masturbation, and instructions on how to join a hookup app in schools will suffice to immediately inspire them to hate leftism. However, they may require proof for such a frankly extraordinary claim. Some guy wearing a beanie saying "trust me bro" is not proof. Screenshots are proof. Scans are proof. Show them the facts. Let them decide for themselves. That's what worked for me.
I personally credit zero percent of my current political awareness to internet cat fights, and I'd bet that almost everyone else would do the same if they really thought about it.
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As with all debates, you are not trying to make your opponent recant.......... Instead, you are showing the audience that you are right and she is wrong.
Careful. Deploying this leftist trope suggests that you actually believe in this "deplatforming" nonsense as a political tactic (denying someone an opportunity to speak publicly because of his political position). The left uses this method because their positions are morally indefensible and frequently irrational, as the Pool podcast discussion shows in no uncertain terms.
Also, debates between woke Marxists and non-revolutionaries can inform a larger section of the public about critical Marxist nonsense and the danger it poses. The more people see the way the left lies and obfuscates reality and truth, the better.
The Left is also known for their projection; they attack the "platforming" of ideologues because they platform ideologues. See CNN, New York Times, or Guardian editorials for examples.
I agree that sunlight is the best disinfectant, but for that to work, you have to let them run, not shut them down.
Platforming is a real thing. Deplatforming is not. It's like how you can say words but you can't un-say them.
You're mixing up some things here.
Leftism is a Philosophy of War. They have beliefs, but you are dealing with someone who's beliefs are around the conquest of power. Yes, actually, there is rhetoric. In fact, it's all rhetorical warfare.
You are mistakenly accepting Leftist Sophistry as it's framework. That's not the case. The sophistry is merely a tactic; a means to an end. Yes, she does exist, and yes she is dangerous. No, the purpose is not to debate them, but to defeat her in front of others so that they know how to defeat Leftists as they arrive.
He only defeated her in the eyes of people already on his side though. She's been using this interview as proof that she defeated him and using it to advertise her propaganda show, and her boasting has a lot more reach because it has DNC money behind it. It's a net negative outcome for the side of truth.
If he had definitively proven her wrong about something, I could see where you're coming from. But he didn't. He asked her "do you hold these reprehensible beliefs?", she proudly replied "yes, I am an evil pedophile", he said "that's bad", and she said "nuh uh". A zero information exchange. As I said in another comment, reasonable humans don't need to be convinced that pedophilia is bad. They know it instinctively. So repeating "this woman is a pedophile, and that's bad" is just preaching to the choir.
There is no "neutral side" in this debate. You don't convince a child-fucker to become a good person by pointing out flaws in their logic.
But she's not defeated; she literally thinks she owned a bigot and her audience does to.
If it's all rhetorical, nothing is real, and words don't matter.
I think you’re close to correct for anyone already “in” the culture war—it’s like how after each Presidential debate, everyone thinks their candidate clearly won—but you’d be surprised what a small percentage of the population is really involved in the culture war. I think stuff like this is useful even on the off-chance that a “normie” will see it, because a lot of how the woke brigade has gained so much power and influence is by creating conditions where their voice and their arguments predominate and there can be consequences for saying anything else. A lot of people in the world know something screwy is going on but just need to hear someone with a platform articulate the counter-arguments. We win the culture war by giving normal people the courage and confidence to call wokeism what it is, not a liberation movement but a crazy alliance between racist grifters and mentally ill pedophiles. So I sort of agree with you for people already on this forum but I think it’s useful for less involved people.
100%. I think in time the reality of the horrors of critical Marxist wokeness will sink in more generally, but only if people keep hammering away at it and confronting it at every opportunity--the larger the audience the better.