This is worse in some industries (academia. Academia is fucked), and I hear it is even worse in the US, but my god is this ever frustrating…
It really shows you how low people think of you, when you’ve worked with them for some time/think they know you moderately well, and then you ask them for a reference, and they either flat out ignore you, or claim not to even know you “well enough”… 😔
Teachers (well, lecturers, tutors, et al) are particularly bad for this - “Oh, I worked with you on and off for a year. Soz lol, still don’t know you from a bar of soap.”
Look, I get it - it takes a degree of effort, and no one wants to be held accountable for “vouching” for someone else anymore, but fuck, everything requires them - Grad School, jobs, internships, everything.
If no one is willing to (legitimately) provide something so basic, how the fuck is anyone expected to even take that next career step??
This seems much, much worse than when I was last in this position (asking for academic references), 8 years ago, too…
Didn’t think we had slid that much, as a society, in that time, but… Yeah. 😔
Stupidly hard to work around, FML.
That's how you end up being run by foreigners
Cause selling out every value for ruthless capitalism makes for a good community?
Fight for what? You must have values.
but you think white nationalists are stupid, so this new country of yours within your original country that was already taken over by the pajeets and pakis, will just be another country filled with pajeets and pakis, but they'll be meritocratic capitalists who definitely won't be nepotistic and bring in other pajeets and pakis
what's even the point.
you're the one who think white people should just cede the country to shitskins in exchange for some order and peace.
i don't get it, is living in a consooomerist society all you want? no history, no culture, no blood, just make money to consume? you don't want a country, you just want an economy zone, how are you any different than the globalists? but my globalism is based on meritocracy!
"Ruthless capitalism" is antithetical toward building a country at all, and it would entail selling off whatever you build to our current crop of rich assholes as soon as the time as right anyway.
As opposed to now?
Exactly. We went full business mode and forgot to take care of our own. We got sold out for money, ie ruthless capitalism
In Canada there are a lot of companies that do not give out references, as policy.
Asking for references is pointless anyway; either the person is at the company, and recruiters can ask them directly, or they're unknown and trivially easy to fake.
Just laziness on the part of HR.
Ah, see, this is a slightly different thing...
This is a personal letter of reference. I don't need it to be on corporate letterhead. Hell, I don't need it to be "sanctioned" by the respective companies/organisations at all. I just need some fucker, who has at some point "supervised" or "managed" me, to answer some specific questions about my ability to work, how well I work in groups, etc...
Which it sounds like, in your experience, it might be even more difficult to get, in the US. Eugh...
It's extremely painful, trying to get anyone to do this, even here, let me tell you that much...
Fair. I just wish people weren't such dicks about it, honestly.
Like, "Sorry, I just don't have time at the moment" or "Sorry, but I don't feel comfortable doing that" is much better than "Nah, I have a family now. Get stuffed" or "I never knew you as well as you seemed to think I did, and you were a shit student anyway."
Like fuck, tact works both ways, doesn't it??
And those were the ones who bothered to reply. I hate to think what the ones who ignored me completely would say, if they could be stuffed, lol...
People suck, ha.
Yeah, unfortunately this one requires an actual reference letter, which asks them specific questions which they have to "endorse" me in regard to, I guess would be the best explanation...
So normally you are right, but in this case... I actually physically need them to do it up for me, which... Is proving to be the difficult thing. Unfortunately...
I don't think publicly, but in my industry people do tend to talk with each other and they will influence HR, both a positive and a negative.
In a lot of the industries I've worked in the job is publicly posted, but someone is already hired from the network.
Yeah, this thing that I need references for is overseas, and there’s absolutely no way anyone I’ve worked with (in the last decade or so, anyway) would be able to influence it, outside of this reference thing, lol…
Which is good, in that sense, but also makes it harder to get someone willing to “play the game” and give me the ref I need, lol.
Yeah--you put some people in a position of authority, even one as weak as this, and they'll flex. Especially academics.
When I was teaching, everyone got glowing recommendations from me if they were good students. Even if I had them for only one semester.
Someone else who I asked said “I have a family now - I don’t have time”, lol…
Ouch.
But to be fair, it’s been a while. He’s probably more annoyed at being contacted and asked like this, unfortunately…
Better than the academics I asked, though. The academics were dogshit about this.
Wish I had you as a teacher then. 😏
To be fair though, this is like a specific set of questions, i.e. “how would applicant react in this situation?” “Do you think applicant would apply themselves well?”, etc.
So… It would require a small degree of effort, on their part…
I’m just going to go for people I know outside of academia, because they’re much more willing to help, apparently…
The people I’ve asked have responded in a number of pretty unpleasant ways…
Except one, who is much older, and was both fine with it, and perfectly willing to help.
But yeah, the Millennials and Gen X folk I asked? Ouch.
Especially the “I have a family now. I don’t have time for this” one.
Not sure what that says about me, that these are the people I’m having to ask, lol…
I hate everything about this. 😔
I wish it was to my face…
But nah, e-mail/text…
Much worse, ha.
Just made me sad, really… 😑
I need this, though, so I’ll have to keep asking around.
I looked over again what I was asking, thinking “Surely they could do this if they wanted to?”, and yes, yes they could.
So yeah, you’re probably right. They just don’t fucking care.
Even with the courses where I was an “A Student” and got to know the supe well - they couldn’t be fucked, lol.
I hate this shit. All of it. 😒
I just wish I could meet more fucking normal people, dude…
Like, all of the people I am having to ask for this shit, pretty much, are like this…
The only “normal” people who will actually play ball here are fucking immigrants. All the whiteys I know are some form of degenerate, pathetic simps like this individual OR they’re just unpleasant, like the academic I spoke about earlier…
Fuck. Fuck this shit. I hate it so much, fml…
So the one who said that to me…
I’ve just discovered (via emails bouncing back) that he is a gigacuck who literally changed his name to his wife’s name, only answers to a shortened, androgynous version of his real name (Jem instead of Jeremy) and has changed all his records to pretend his birth name doesn’t exist/can’t be accessed…
Jesus H Christ on a stick…
I hate people.