I think you'll find that the very idea that Biden somehow legitimately "won" 81 million votes, breaking all records and besting Obama himself by 10 million, is preposterous on its face.
In the same race Trump broke records for the most votes any Presidential incumbent has ever added to his original term's vote numbers.
Only Totalitarian Leftists and anti-Trump Neocons are still spouting the by now very obvious lie that Biden "won legitimately".
That's a new one lmao. If anything, voter fraud is the type of thing that they try to draw attention away from. No one is trying to claim that there aren't tens of millions (70M bare minimum) zombie NPC retards that voted for Biden. People who allege voting fraud made the difference aren't acting like NPCs don't exist.
The idea of Voter fraud only mattered in 2020 election because the margins were so damn close. Wisconsin, Arizona and Georgia were all within 1 point. These were the tipping points states.
It is clear that more people hate Trump than those who love him. That is an undeniable fact. Even when he won in 2016 he lost the popular vote.
The problem is that Trump has only lost many more people since 2020. They likely don't need any voter fraud at all to beat Trump in 2024. You can thank the toxicity of Stop the Steal, J6 and Operation WarpSpeed for why he is losing more and more voters.
Trump can easily lose in 2024 without zero voter fraud.
As I said, ALL U.S. VOTING RECORDS BROKEN in 2020, after Biden stayed home 90% of the time, only to emerge to speak to groups of tens of people.
He only had tens of individuals come out for him on the rare occasions he deigned us with his presence, but somehow got 10 more million votes than the Democrats' own God Barack Obama? Is that what you would have us believe?
It's patently obvious nonsense, and no one with an IQ over 80 actually believes it.
Yes, there are many who are happy in the knowledge that the fraud successfully dislodged Trump, such as the entire US permanent gov't, the DNC, 70%-80% of the Democrat voting base, the leadership of the corrupt GOP, and the De Santis people, but even those who celebrate the results of the fraud - sorry, "fortification" - do not actually believe that Biden won legitimately.
Of course they all still loudly proclaim, as you do, that the success of the Biden campaign is not evidence of fraud but instead means "Trump can't win". But they also all know that Trump already won twice. That's why they are all united in so haphazardly, desperately, clumsily and corruptly trying to keep him from running, much less winning, a third time.
They know he was robbed of the election, they also know he is the most investigated politician in Western history, and they know they can't find much wrongdoing by him. Yet they are willing to destroy the reputation of the United States itself in order to lower it to the sort of banana republic which would lock him up on spurious charges merely for daring to run.
They would not be going to these lengths unless they knew that Trump had already won twice and can win again.
I have always said that fraud played a role in 2020. You exaggerate that role and make it sound like some type of magical fraud changed the results in every state when in reality, it was merely suspicious ballots which were counted thanks to mail in balloting laws being changed. This only made a marginal difference in three states but it was decisive in tipping the electoral college victory to Biden. The key issue is that we are not in 2020 anymore.
The Trump of 2024 is quite weaker than the Trump of 2020. He no longer has incumbency advantage and he has accrued much more baggage via Stop the Steal, J6 and Operation Warp speed. No way in hell that in 2024, Trump outperforms what he officially received in 2020.
You think by saying the election was stolen, he is owed a re-do and that you can coronate him again without fighting for the nomination. You are mistaken.
Winning 2024 is crucial to the survival of America. I am America first not Trump first.
I have made it clear on many different occasions that I prefer DeSantis for 2024 because of Trump's fatal mistakes during COVID and that due to the baggage Trump has accrued, he has a miniscule chance of winning 2024.
Winning 2024 is much more important than the OnlyTrumpers yearning for Trump getting some meaningless revenge.
Edit added more info: Oh yeah btw the Dems are persecuting Trump not because they are afraid of him winning but because by persecuting him, the dumb people in the GOP base will rally around him and nominate him again. The Dems want to win so they would prefer to run against the weakest candidate: Trump.
Let's take your De Santis-issued talking point nonsense one by one, shall we?
To Your Point 1:
----------"I have always said that fraud played a role in 2020. You exaggerate that role and make it sound like some type of magical fraud changed the results in every state when in reality, it was merely suspicious ballots which were counted thanks to mail in balloting laws being changed. This only made a marginal difference in three states but it was decisive in tipping the electoral college victory to Biden. The key issue is that we are not in 2020 anymore."---------
'Magical fraud'? Oh, sorry - do you mean my reference to your "Fortification" of the 2020 election?:
Time Magazine The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election by Molly Ball https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Not at all "magical". The Democrats thoroughly and proudly detail (in the Time Magazine article of February 5 2021) some of the worst election corruption the West has ever seen, and then attempt to paper over that minor crack by re-terming your "corruption" as "election fortification".
There are no "marginal differences" when mass election fraud is at play. I know you RNC/De Santis Campaign people want to convince us all of this, but the historical numbers still stand in the way of your false rhetoric. (Yes, some of us still read actual history.)
To Your Point 2:
---------"The Trump of 2024 is quite weaker than the Trump of 2020. He no longer has incumbency advantage and he has accrued much more baggage via Stop the Steal, J6 and Operation Warp speed. No way in hell that in 2024, Trump outperforms what he officially received in 2020." -------
"Quite weaker"? Interesting usage of (apparently) English words. Also, No. He's the only President who appears to have de-aged rather than withered and greyed over his tenure. Nonsense argument. Trump, last I checked, is up over 30 points over De Santis.
Also I see that you believe that the government was correct in prosecuting J6 when The Antifa May Insurrection had FAR more police officers injured (160, at the last count), genuinely threatened a seat of American power (the White House itself) and even a burned a church thrown in - with zero prosecutions. But as a De Santis person I suppose you have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
Further, if there is "no way in hell" that Trump can win in 2024, why are all the expected powers aligning against him still? If he "can't win", then why not let him fail humiliatingly? After all, you say the voters are against him, yes? You say there is "No way he can win", yes? Then let him publicly fall down as humiliatingly as Biden does in nearly every other public appearance. As Biden did only a few hours ago, even.
You also say De Santis CAN win, when De Santis is at my last check over 30 points behind Trump.
I say that you are WORRIED that Trump CAN win, and yet, as a corrupt NeoCon, are fighting hard against truth (as ever).
To Your Point 3:
--------"You think by saying the election was stolen, he is owed a re-do and that you can coronate him again without fighting for the nomination."--------
I never said he was owed anything. I said you De Santis people and your DNC comrades are AFRAID that he will win a third term, and so are happy to assent to DNC/RNC corruption of ballots in order to avoid it.
To Your Point 4:
---------"I have made it clear on many different occasions that I prefer DeSantis for 2024 because of Trump's fatal mistakes during COVID and that due to the baggage Trump has accrued, he has a miniscule chance of winning 2024.
Winning 2024 is much more important than the OnlyTrumpers yearning for Trump getting some meaningless revenge."--------
I KNEW IT! I FUCKING KNEW IT! Yes, I spotted you earlier as a De Santis supporter, happy with the fraud of 2020 so long as you got What You Want, and happy with whatever government corruption will be thrown at Trump and his supporters right now, so long as You Get What You Want. Just relent and finally join the Democrat Party, as I'm sure you've often been tempted to do. The money is easier and more plentiful.
To Your Point 5/Addendum:
--------- "Winning 2024 is much more important than the OnlyTrumpers yearning for Trump getting some meaningless revenge. Edit added more info: Oh yeah btw the Dems are persecuting Trump not because they are afraid of him winning but because by persecuting him, the dumb people in the GOP base will rally around him and nominate him again. The Dems want to win so they would prefer to run against the weakest candidate: Trump."---------
Good God, man. Upthread, I've explained why Trump CAN win, NeoCon/Leftist/De Santis shill, rather more clearly than you have managed to garble out why he "Trump must lose" using your De Santis talking points.
You are an absolute nonsense person. Completely unserious.
I hope De Santis is paying you very handsomely for your efforts.
While I am heartened to see De Santis hiring Dunning-Kruger Syndrome victims such as yourself as part of his diversity and inclusion outreach, it's
still TRUMP 2024, and it's not even close.
No.
I think you'll find that the very idea that Biden somehow legitimately "won" 81 million votes, breaking all records and besting Obama himself by 10 million, is preposterous on its face.
In the same race Trump broke records for the most votes any Presidential incumbent has ever added to his original term's vote numbers.
Only Totalitarian Leftists and anti-Trump Neocons are still spouting the by now very obvious lie that Biden "won legitimately".
That's a new one lmao. If anything, voter fraud is the type of thing that they try to draw attention away from. No one is trying to claim that there aren't tens of millions (70M bare minimum) zombie NPC retards that voted for Biden. People who allege voting fraud made the difference aren't acting like NPCs don't exist.
The idea of Voter fraud only mattered in 2020 election because the margins were so damn close. Wisconsin, Arizona and Georgia were all within 1 point. These were the tipping points states.
It is clear that more people hate Trump than those who love him. That is an undeniable fact. Even when he won in 2016 he lost the popular vote.
The problem is that Trump has only lost many more people since 2020. They likely don't need any voter fraud at all to beat Trump in 2024. You can thank the toxicity of Stop the Steal, J6 and Operation WarpSpeed for why he is losing more and more voters.
Trump can easily lose in 2024 without zero voter fraud.
He is more hated now than ever before.
As I said, ALL U.S. VOTING RECORDS BROKEN in 2020, after Biden stayed home 90% of the time, only to emerge to speak to groups of tens of people.
He only had tens of individuals come out for him on the rare occasions he deigned us with his presence, but somehow got 10 more million votes than the Democrats' own God Barack Obama? Is that what you would have us believe?
It's patently obvious nonsense, and no one with an IQ over 80 actually believes it.
Yes, there are many who are happy in the knowledge that the fraud successfully dislodged Trump, such as the entire US permanent gov't, the DNC, 70%-80% of the Democrat voting base, the leadership of the corrupt GOP, and the De Santis people, but even those who celebrate the results of the fraud - sorry, "fortification" - do not actually believe that Biden won legitimately.
Of course they all still loudly proclaim, as you do, that the success of the Biden campaign is not evidence of fraud but instead means "Trump can't win". But they also all know that Trump already won twice. That's why they are all united in so haphazardly, desperately, clumsily and corruptly trying to keep him from running, much less winning, a third time.
They know he was robbed of the election, they also know he is the most investigated politician in Western history, and they know they can't find much wrongdoing by him. Yet they are willing to destroy the reputation of the United States itself in order to lower it to the sort of banana republic which would lock him up on spurious charges merely for daring to run.
They would not be going to these lengths unless they knew that Trump had already won twice and can win again.
I have always said that fraud played a role in 2020. You exaggerate that role and make it sound like some type of magical fraud changed the results in every state when in reality, it was merely suspicious ballots which were counted thanks to mail in balloting laws being changed. This only made a marginal difference in three states but it was decisive in tipping the electoral college victory to Biden. The key issue is that we are not in 2020 anymore.
The Trump of 2024 is quite weaker than the Trump of 2020. He no longer has incumbency advantage and he has accrued much more baggage via Stop the Steal, J6 and Operation Warp speed. No way in hell that in 2024, Trump outperforms what he officially received in 2020.
You think by saying the election was stolen, he is owed a re-do and that you can coronate him again without fighting for the nomination. You are mistaken.
Winning 2024 is crucial to the survival of America. I am America first not Trump first.
I have made it clear on many different occasions that I prefer DeSantis for 2024 because of Trump's fatal mistakes during COVID and that due to the baggage Trump has accrued, he has a miniscule chance of winning 2024.
Winning 2024 is much more important than the OnlyTrumpers yearning for Trump getting some meaningless revenge.
Edit added more info: Oh yeah btw the Dems are persecuting Trump not because they are afraid of him winning but because by persecuting him, the dumb people in the GOP base will rally around him and nominate him again. The Dems want to win so they would prefer to run against the weakest candidate: Trump.
Let's take your De Santis-issued talking point nonsense one by one, shall we?
To Your Point 1:
----------"I have always said that fraud played a role in 2020. You exaggerate that role and make it sound like some type of magical fraud changed the results in every state when in reality, it was merely suspicious ballots which were counted thanks to mail in balloting laws being changed. This only made a marginal difference in three states but it was decisive in tipping the electoral college victory to Biden. The key issue is that we are not in 2020 anymore."---------
'Magical fraud'? Oh, sorry - do you mean my reference to your "Fortification" of the 2020 election?: Time Magazine The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election by Molly Ball https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Not at all "magical". The Democrats thoroughly and proudly detail (in the Time Magazine article of February 5 2021) some of the worst election corruption the West has ever seen, and then attempt to paper over that minor crack by re-terming your "corruption" as "election fortification".
There are no "marginal differences" when mass election fraud is at play. I know you RNC/De Santis Campaign people want to convince us all of this, but the historical numbers still stand in the way of your false rhetoric. (Yes, some of us still read actual history.)
To Your Point 2:
---------"The Trump of 2024 is quite weaker than the Trump of 2020. He no longer has incumbency advantage and he has accrued much more baggage via Stop the Steal, J6 and Operation Warp speed. No way in hell that in 2024, Trump outperforms what he officially received in 2020." -------
"Quite weaker"? Interesting usage of (apparently) English words. Also, No. He's the only President who appears to have de-aged rather than withered and greyed over his tenure. Nonsense argument. Trump, last I checked, is up over 30 points over De Santis. Also I see that you believe that the government was correct in prosecuting J6 when The Antifa May Insurrection had FAR more police officers injured (160, at the last count), genuinely threatened a seat of American power (the White House itself) and even a burned a church thrown in - with zero prosecutions. But as a De Santis person I suppose you have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?
Further, if there is "no way in hell" that Trump can win in 2024, why are all the expected powers aligning against him still? If he "can't win", then why not let him fail humiliatingly? After all, you say the voters are against him, yes? You say there is "No way he can win", yes? Then let him publicly fall down as humiliatingly as Biden does in nearly every other public appearance. As Biden did only a few hours ago, even.
You also say De Santis CAN win, when De Santis is at my last check over 30 points behind Trump.
I say that you are WORRIED that Trump CAN win, and yet, as a corrupt NeoCon, are fighting hard against truth (as ever).
To Your Point 3:
--------"You think by saying the election was stolen, he is owed a re-do and that you can coronate him again without fighting for the nomination."--------
I never said he was owed anything. I said you De Santis people and your DNC comrades are AFRAID that he will win a third term, and so are happy to assent to DNC/RNC corruption of ballots in order to avoid it.
To Your Point 4:
---------"I have made it clear on many different occasions that I prefer DeSantis for 2024 because of Trump's fatal mistakes during COVID and that due to the baggage Trump has accrued, he has a miniscule chance of winning 2024. Winning 2024 is much more important than the OnlyTrumpers yearning for Trump getting some meaningless revenge."--------
I KNEW IT! I FUCKING KNEW IT! Yes, I spotted you earlier as a De Santis supporter, happy with the fraud of 2020 so long as you got What You Want, and happy with whatever government corruption will be thrown at Trump and his supporters right now, so long as You Get What You Want. Just relent and finally join the Democrat Party, as I'm sure you've often been tempted to do. The money is easier and more plentiful.
To Your Point 5/Addendum:
--------- "Winning 2024 is much more important than the OnlyTrumpers yearning for Trump getting some meaningless revenge. Edit added more info: Oh yeah btw the Dems are persecuting Trump not because they are afraid of him winning but because by persecuting him, the dumb people in the GOP base will rally around him and nominate him again. The Dems want to win so they would prefer to run against the weakest candidate: Trump."---------
Good God, man. Upthread, I've explained why Trump CAN win, NeoCon/Leftist/De Santis shill, rather more clearly than you have managed to garble out why he "Trump must lose" using your De Santis talking points.
You are an absolute nonsense person. Completely unserious. I hope De Santis is paying you very handsomely for your efforts.
While I am heartened to see De Santis hiring Dunning-Kruger Syndrome victims such as yourself as part of his diversity and inclusion outreach, it's still TRUMP 2024, and it's not even close.