Violence will absolutely be addressed in a slanted way by the media and the authorities.
You aren't doing violence in this case to incite societal activist like change. You are doing it to actively remove them from existing and make them reconsider existing openly. Its a difference between Leftist riots and full vigilantism.
A violent reaction will get used as retroactive justification of their actions
They are already acting, and in the case of lack of justification have proven they can and will just make one up from nowhere (or create a patsy to do it for them). Cucking yourself into inaction because you are afraid they will react hasn't worked for us so far and won't in the future.
I agreed with your point of view for the last decade+, so I see the logic. I've also seen it fail to actually stop anything from happening while things keep sliding worse. So I've simply accepted that at least vigilante violence kills a predator or two, which is a net positive for the world.
You aren't doing violence in this case to incite societal activist like change. You are doing it to actively remove them from existing and make them reconsider existing openly. Its a difference between Leftist riots and full vigilantism.
So "why Gary? why?" is the response? Really? You won't even get away with that if you live in a red bastion. The justice system being converged in blue areas ensures a 'vigorous' police response and life-altering (if not ending) consequences.
Plus the removed will be beatified by the Maoists.
They are already acting, and in the case of lack of justification have proven they can and will just make one up from nowhere (or create a patsy to do it for them). Cucking yourself into inaction because you are afraid they will react hasn't worked for us so far and won't in the future.
Documenting and exposing isn't inaction, but I will admit it's more of a rearguard response than I'd like. Living in a Blue area, I just don't see any reasonable way to deal with hostile institutions where the leftist long march has the police/DAs using their power to put the thumb on the scales of justice and the media memory-holing things. But I suppose that's the point of subversion and demoralization-- to incentivize right-minded folk to do nothing.
This is why I think parallel institutions and local organization is important. Having a circle of like minded people to support efforts to document/expose and organize responses to provocations will be more effective than 'full vigilantism' on an individual level.
You won't even get away with that if you live in a red bastion.
You seem to think I am of the belief that this is some perfect plan where everybody wins and the system fixes itself. I am not, the consequences are well known and nobody should think anything but the worst fate awaits them. That's why I specified "breaking point," because its when someone ceases to care about anything outside the action itself being carried out.
Living in a Blue area
I spent most of my life in a Blueish area, though not for Liberal Woke reasons but "blacks voting for gimmies" reasons. And that's where I know that you can't convince a DA and a judge and a government to fix by showing how evil certain people are. But you can save dozens of lives by simply shooting one dead to remind them that the system can't protect them forever and make the rest have even a moment hesitation for a few weeks/months before they also do something evil.
Your idea has merit and I don't disagree on it as the ideal method, but requires a very perfect execution. Because you need that full circle of like minded men (who don't purity spiral each other over differences of principles, as the Right/Libertarian types do) that doesn't have weaknesses (like a family or job) that can be threatened to cease their vigil and efforts before the long time is put in to actually reach that change.
I just want to encourage you to not [Intensely Fed Post] yourself out of the world. There's an aching need for good men to individually survive, if we're to collectively recover from the collapse brewing.
The original point of my post wasn't to fedpost. It was to simply complain about how many times we need to have this exact same thread about them being "discovered" doing bad shit, where all the same posts happen about being so fed up about it, and then it all amounts to literal nothing but circlejerking about how mad we all are.
I've been in this "culture war" for over two decades now, its simply exhausting to see that cycle repeat enough times.
You aren't doing violence in this case to incite societal activist like change. You are doing it to actively remove them from existing and make them reconsider existing openly. Its a difference between Leftist riots and full vigilantism.
They are already acting, and in the case of lack of justification have proven they can and will just make one up from nowhere (or create a patsy to do it for them). Cucking yourself into inaction because you are afraid they will react hasn't worked for us so far and won't in the future.
I agreed with your point of view for the last decade+, so I see the logic. I've also seen it fail to actually stop anything from happening while things keep sliding worse. So I've simply accepted that at least vigilante violence kills a predator or two, which is a net positive for the world.
So "why Gary? why?" is the response? Really? You won't even get away with that if you live in a red bastion. The justice system being converged in blue areas ensures a 'vigorous' police response and life-altering (if not ending) consequences.
Plus the removed will be beatified by the Maoists.
Documenting and exposing isn't inaction, but I will admit it's more of a rearguard response than I'd like. Living in a Blue area, I just don't see any reasonable way to deal with hostile institutions where the leftist long march has the police/DAs using their power to put the thumb on the scales of justice and the media memory-holing things. But I suppose that's the point of subversion and demoralization-- to incentivize right-minded folk to do nothing.
This is why I think parallel institutions and local organization is important. Having a circle of like minded people to support efforts to document/expose and organize responses to provocations will be more effective than 'full vigilantism' on an individual level.
You seem to think I am of the belief that this is some perfect plan where everybody wins and the system fixes itself. I am not, the consequences are well known and nobody should think anything but the worst fate awaits them. That's why I specified "breaking point," because its when someone ceases to care about anything outside the action itself being carried out.
I spent most of my life in a Blueish area, though not for Liberal Woke reasons but "blacks voting for gimmies" reasons. And that's where I know that you can't convince a DA and a judge and a government to fix by showing how evil certain people are. But you can save dozens of lives by simply shooting one dead to remind them that the system can't protect them forever and make the rest have even a moment hesitation for a few weeks/months before they also do something evil.
Your idea has merit and I don't disagree on it as the ideal method, but requires a very perfect execution. Because you need that full circle of like minded men (who don't purity spiral each other over differences of principles, as the Right/Libertarian types do) that doesn't have weaknesses (like a family or job) that can be threatened to cease their vigil and efforts before the long time is put in to actually reach that change.
That's fair.
I just want to encourage you to not [Intensely Fed Post] yourself out of the world. There's an aching need for good men to individually survive, if we're to collectively recover from the collapse brewing.
The original point of my post wasn't to fedpost. It was to simply complain about how many times we need to have this exact same thread about them being "discovered" doing bad shit, where all the same posts happen about being so fed up about it, and then it all amounts to literal nothing but circlejerking about how mad we all are.
I've been in this "culture war" for over two decades now, its simply exhausting to see that cycle repeat enough times.