The 2000s were kind of trash, though, in terms of entertainment culture. That's when feminism started to seep into everything and the end result was an abomination of corporate compromises.
I always thought it was 2012 when I noticed shit was going weird. A big thing for blind me at the time seeing rock music just die to some new crappy pop music
That's about when I started to notice things were "off" too. I was just coming of age at that time though. I imagine it was going on before that. It's a bunch of Gen Xers that came up with 1997 so that's probably around the time they were coming of age too.
As a Gen Xer, I'd say that 1997 was right around the time that I'd say that a lot more "new" stuff was just stuff from my youth that had been repackaged but with extra cynicism and tokenism.
There was still a lot of good stuff, but the ideological and nihilistic crap was definitely starting to seep in.
Like, having a black Vulcan on Voyager was obvious pandering to me, even back then. The main difference was that it used to be encouraged to point out cynical marketing pandering. Like when my university (98.5% white, 1% Asian, 0.5% other) took promo pictures and managed to find the 2 black guys who weren't on the basketball team to proudly feature and was resoundingly mocked for it.
The 2000s were kind of trash, though, in terms of entertainment culture. That's when feminism started to seep into everything and the end result was an abomination of corporate compromises.
There's a theory out there that the year 1997 was "cultural ground zero"
That was the last year mainstream culture came up with anything new and good. Ever since then it's been all nostalgia and pandering.
I always thought it was 2012 when I noticed shit was going weird. A big thing for blind me at the time seeing rock music just die to some new crappy pop music
That's about when I started to notice things were "off" too. I was just coming of age at that time though. I imagine it was going on before that. It's a bunch of Gen Xers that came up with 1997 so that's probably around the time they were coming of age too.
As a Gen Xer, I'd say that 1997 was right around the time that I'd say that a lot more "new" stuff was just stuff from my youth that had been repackaged but with extra cynicism and tokenism.
There was still a lot of good stuff, but the ideological and nihilistic crap was definitely starting to seep in.
Like, having a black Vulcan on Voyager was obvious pandering to me, even back then. The main difference was that it used to be encouraged to point out cynical marketing pandering. Like when my university (98.5% white, 1% Asian, 0.5% other) took promo pictures and managed to find the 2 black guys who weren't on the basketball team to proudly feature and was resoundingly mocked for it.
I agree with this analysis. Completely.
Not sure how old you are, but this is the same time I noticed...
Born in 92.
Totally agree with you, 2012 is when it felt like we crossed into another reality.