The other day I was driving home and listening to sports radio and I guess they had been talking about a trade a team didn't make and the fans were angry. One of the hosts said that the angry fans reminded him of nerds who get angry and become toxic because their fan theories didn't come true. I couldn't have rolled my eyes any harder.
Just brought back memories of all the moronic critics when The Last Jedi came out. It wasn't enough to simply say they enjoyed the movie, they had to crap on everyone who didn't and Disney being Disney went along with it. I remember hearing the "you're just mad because your fan theories did come true" or "You just wanted to see a heroic Luke" I remember asking someone who said those exact things why it was a bad thing to want to see a heroic Luke. They didn't respond.
This also popped up in Game of Thrones with Arya killing the Night King and people getting called sexist for saying that it should've been Jon.
I guess in hindsight this exposed all the media shills for what they were. Anyone who was actually interested in the IP would know that fan theories have been around in nerdom since the beginning. Anyone who actually cared about the IPs would know this, but this is what happens when a site/channel that was made to cater to fans is bought out by a corporation and gets re-staffed with a bunch of hacks. Sci-Fi Channel and the Star Wars websites I would frequent in the 90s and early 00s come to mind.
No fucking shit?
Why dont you want to see a heroic Luke?
The people who say stuff like this are probably the types who say that you can never have heroes and that everything must be anti-heroes and grey morality, because its more "realistic" and "true to life" since "heroes dont exist". Also usually stuff about how wanting heroes is "childish" and that you just need to grow up.
Personally, while I used to like anti-heroes (and still do for ones like Punisher and Judge Dredd), I have been getting burned out on this whole "edgy anti-hero" shit and just want heroes and villains again. Because, to quote an old song I like, "The genre's called 'Fantasy'! Its meant to be unrealistic you myopic manatee!"
Yea, my brother was shocked because I’m not watching The Boys and he knows I’m into comic books. I said I’m so sick of the deconstruction of superheros. I liked the Watchmen comic book but that’s good for a nice twist every now and then. I’m currently reading a comic book of Captain America from 93 and have been reading some Superman issues from the 70s.
There is a part of me that wonders if part of the reason that the Puss In Boots did so well is because it did have an actual villain, who openly admits he is a villain, and famously has a scene where when someone finally admits "You're evil!" He just says "Oh, you are only just now figuring that out?!" Which is so unheard of for a lot of movies, and now it gets done in a kids movie of all things.
Probably. With everything grey that’s great to hear. I’ve heard good things about that one
It’s solid.
Yea I remember scratching my head at the defenses for this movie. Rey lecturing Luke and the woman being much better than the guy is pretty standard now. I also remember the critics praising the fact that Rey was a nobody because it showed “greatness can come from anywhere”. Certainly no story has ever shown that or let’s ignore that Anakin was a slave. Also, in the EU it never said Jedi have to come from an elite family or in the prequels Jedi are all over. Just an example of pretentious fake fans
Honestly, the thing that made me the maddest about the Sequels was how they treated Kylo and Poe.
Yes, in the first movie, Kylo was an emotional brat who got beat by Rey the first time they fought. But because I was naïve still at the time and thought they knew what they were doing, I thought it was being set up that that was the point. And come Episode 8 they would have him getting dressed down by Snoke for his failure, have him bring up how he claims to be the heir of Vader and yet lost to a novice, and then have him start undergoing Dark Side training to be made into a threat the next time he faced Rey. Not only did that not happen, they kept nerfing him to appeal to the Shippers.
And Poe made what was objectively the correct call as a military commander, was abused by his commanding officer, and the movie treats it like he is the bad guy here. I spent the entire god damn movie utterly convinced "Hyperspace Tracking" was a myth and that Holdo was a traitor because she was doing everything you would expect a traitor to do. And I was gobsmacked when it turn out she was wrong and the movie was making it out like Poe was a brainlet for thinking what any reasonable human and soldier would think with an officer liker her.
Have I mentioned that Ep. 8 holds the unique "honor" of being the only movie that has ever retroactively ruined my enjoyment of another movie? Because at the time I actually really liked Ep. 7 and wrote off all of its issues as "They are just getting back in the game. Ep. 8 will fix some of this funk." Meanwhile....
Yea episode 8 and how Disney has treated the fans is a huge part of the reason I’m purely pre Disney Star Wars. Currently reading some legends books. I get they wanted to do their own thing but they couldn’t just have legends in a separate continuity or continue stories in that universe? And with the sequels if you weren’t going to use what Lucas had then why not do a loose adaption of Thrawn trilogy or NJO? Another dumb move was not having Luke’s Jedi Academy. Rey beating Kylo after just learning about the force seems like major girl power in hindsight. One of the opening scenes in episode 7 should’ve been Luke instructing a group of young Jedi. Also having Han/Luke/Leia and maybe Lando in a scene towards the beginning seems like a layup