It also started with this administration, literally these were the same people who engineered that coup and have had their hand in that cookie jar for years.
I mean the president of the United States had his son on an energy board there, Ol Obama was over there when he was still just a senator doing arms inspections and god knows what else, the bio labs were literally admitted that they existed by Nuland, and Trump's impeachment was literally because of the ukies.
You can see how powerful Western propaganda is by how many people didn't know the truth about 2014, and how many still don't. I supported what I thought was the revolution, and thought Ukraine was the victim of Russia, until I learned the truth of the matter.
That's why an informed citizenry is so dangerous to the regime.
You can see how powerful Russian propaganda is by making you retarded to not challenge him on these lies while answering. But say this bullshit instead.
Pleae come back and tell me what you saw in the cities west of Donetsk city, after just 1 year of actual shelling of ethnic Russians (by Russia), as compared to these now 9 years of "the non stop shelling of ethnic Russians" by Ukraine. No, really please do, and be sincere about it.
Then you can compare these pictures to the effect of the repeated shelling campaigns against mostly ethnic Russian residents (and all Russian citizens) by Russia in Grozny. Because the cities west of Donetsk now actually look worse than Grozny ever did, including when it was the most destroyed city on Earth at one point - and they're not even done there yet.
You can see how powerful Russian propaganda is by making you retarded to not challenge him on these lies while answering. But say this bullshit instead.
Eh, it's close enough. At least he knows about the shelling, which most of the propgandized people in the West don't know.
Pleae come back and tell me what you saw in the cities west of Donetsk city, after just 1 year of actual shelling of ethnic Russians (by Russia), as compared to these now 9 years of "the non stop shelling of ethnic Russians" by Ukraine. No, really please do, and be sincere about it.
I think I had already answered this one. Obviously, open war is going to do more damage than intermittent shelling. If your petty puppet statelet had actually launched an all-out assault on the Donbas, which I was surprised to recently read Zelensky decided on in 2021, things would look very similar.
Probably worse, because the international media would be on the side of the people wrecking the place.
But there was no shelling. There was not even artillery, on both sides of the contact line, because the arty was withdrawn. For years the ceasefire-violations explosions were from occasional grenades or anti-tank guided missiles (aimed at supply trucks or bunkers rather than tanks, because tanks were also withdrawn) or mortars at most, directed at trenchlines and ouposts, and again I guess I need to repeat they were coming from BOTH sides of the conflict.
The extremely few civilians who died in recent years were mostly victims of old mines or enexploded munitions from 2014-2015, across both sides of the contact line, and originally belonging to both sides. Usually there were 0 (zero) civilians deaths from active hostilities during any given month from 2018 to 2022.
The "petty puppet statelet had actually launched an all-out assault on the Donbas" indeed, the DNR-LNR did just this on February 24 of last year. It was just went nowhere except only on Mariupol direction, and this only due to the attack by Russian regulars from the west (from Crimea) where there have been no fortifications whatsoever. Ukraine abandoned northern Luhansk because it was undefensible for the same reason (now suddenly surrounded from south, east and north, with any fortifications only on the contact line to the south). But just west of Donetsk - it's 1 year of continuous attacks where they only really captured the village of Pisky, which was just west across the Airport airstirp (and which they've been also shelling and attacking 2014-2017 despite the ceasefire). Even what remains of Mariinka is still contested (since 2015).
And the losses of DNR-LNR forces (who are now officially are regular Russian soldiers and police since the annexation) in 2022 have been just horrible for very little gain and never achieving any breakthrough west from the lines of 2015-2022 except in Mariupol where it was due to Russian Marines going from west and even north everntually. Most of them were untrained conscripts (from the total conscription of all males ages 18-60 announded a week before Feb 24) and given often WWII gear and weapons. LNR-DNR territories self-genocided their male population by turning them into cannon fodder. Only in the first few months more of them died than in all of 2014-2022, and that's to just their official statistics. And the territory was hugely underpopulated to begin with, most people had long left either to Ukrainian or Russian territories (or to Poland). At this rate it's soon going to end like Paraguay after its insane conflict, almost every able (and its very losely defined, like they've been since taking men over 60 too) man who didn't escape from Donetsk City will be first press ganged and then end up dead or maimed. Unless is captured, or deserts.
A friend of my friend once helped a Bosnian Serb deserter from the VRS to escape to Germany with his wife and kids. One day he was press ganged along with all men from his village until he deserted. They've first escaped to hide in Belgrade and then were taken by smugglers who were supposed to take them to Germany where his brother lived but left them in Poland.
Is it about the Soviet conquest of Ukraine and the resulting murder of millions by man-made famine and direct means, and the replacement of the killed off natives by Russian setters?
Back in the days of the Communist Soviet Union
He was so close and yet so far.
Long writing, and yet zero instances of "Holodomor" or even "starvation" generally beyond some sperging about a nuclear war.
(And Ukraine in 1991 was the third top nuclear power in the world, much greater than China, before the Americans paid them to either destroy or transfer to Russia all of their warheads and delivery systems.)
Show me (and show yourself) the effects of these "non stop shelling of ethnic Russians" since "2014".
Go and compare Russian occupied (since 2014, Donetsk city, which is just completely undamaged beyond the airport area, the area which was defended by Ukraine and destroyed by Russia 2014-2015), with the Ukrinian held suburbs and sattelite cities like Avdiivka just to the west, of Donetsk city center, and which are literally leveled by Russia's actual "non-stop shelling of ethnic Russians" (now look like WWI frontline cities in France, something like Verdun or Ypres, and it's not a hyperbole: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zf-wFksRJ_M).
And here's Bakhmut city, also in Donbas but up north of Donetsk city, after a "non-stop shelling" by Russia for only 8 months: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o5y-xOARsP0
This is how Donetsk aArport (western Donetsk city) looked like that when Russian artillery was done with it in January 2015 after 8 months: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HBz81b-vvIE
Now, Donetsk city center, under Ukrainian "non-stop shelling" (8 years of it): https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM6Bc3dJGLk (and yes, it's a Lenin statue, their object of worship, and the entire conflict began as the hundreds of Lenins were being toppled across Ukraine in February-April 2014 but in the east there were rallies organised against just that).
Btw, Poland isn't "CIA". The Americans were still in Hillary Clinton's Russia Reset policy at the time. (About which Poland was both pissed off and dismayed.)
So, eagirely awaiting what you think when you compare the "non-stop shelling of ethnic Russians" by Ukraine and by Russia. You can research yourself, including Russian own propaganda from Donetsk city, that is their own videos from all their Lenin rallies through the years and the huge military parades in the city center on occasions like May 9 every year, which were never ever shelled or otherwise attacked at all despite being just few kilometers from Ukrainian positions in places like the city airport and later the village of Pisky literally across the airstrip. Hopefully you will arrive at the realization "holy fuck, I was lied to so shamelessly and yet somehow I just believed it".
Now, Donetsk city center, under Ukrainian "non-stop shelling" (8 years of it): https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM6Bc3dJGLk (and yes, it's a Lenin statue, their object of worship, and the entire conflict began as the hundreds of Lenins were being toppled across Ukraine in February-April 2014 but in the east there were rallies organised against just that).
So they're destroying statues and erasing history like ISIS and the woke crowd in the West. How interesting.
So, eagirely awaiting what you think when you compare the "non-stop shelling of ethnic Russians" by Ukraine and by Russia. You can research yourself, including Russian own propaganda from Donetsk city, that is their own videos from all their Lenin rallies through the years and the huge military parades in the city center on occasions like May 9 every year, which were never ever shelled or otherwise attacked at all despite being just few kilometers from Ukrainian positions in places like the city airport and later the village of Pisky literally across the airstrip. Hopefully you will arrive at the realization "holy fuck, I was lied to so shamelessly and yet somehow I just believed it".
I regularly see videos of yet more shells landing in Donetsk. Recently, they hit a hospital, and you blamed "old, inaccurate Soviet artillery".
What if they had attacked a Victory Day parade? It would probably have made it unsustainable for Russia to continue to do nothing. But now the gloves are off and they're shelling civilians every week, apparently in an attempt to force Russia to attack the heavily fortified areas from which they are launching them, or look weak.
Ww also destroyed all Lenins in Poland and "erased history like ISIS". How interesting!
(We also destroyed all Hitler statues once, but one bust was recently placed in Warsaw as an experimental modern art piece. It can be viewed only through a peep hole in a wall and it's in the former Warsaw Ghetto.)
How many of these shells? Tens? Hundreds? Millions, like Russias's shelling of Donetsk suburbs and satttelite towns?
Recently they've been increasingly sending drones to target indicvidal Russian troops in the streets of central Donetsk with airdropped grenades. You can see how these streets are completely undamaged until a tiny blast mark appears next to some falling little green men.
The war started back in 2014, with the CIA backed coup d'etat and the non stop shelling of ethnic Russians.
It also started with this administration, literally these were the same people who engineered that coup and have had their hand in that cookie jar for years. I mean the president of the United States had his son on an energy board there, Ol Obama was over there when he was still just a senator doing arms inspections and god knows what else, the bio labs were literally admitted that they existed by Nuland, and Trump's impeachment was literally because of the ukies.
Oh boy. Tell me more about THE BIO LABS.
So you're a fan of bio labs in corrupt, unaccountable countries?
Worked great in Wuhan!
I mean, just tell me more about them bio labs. What, where, when? Elaborate, inform me, all the details, don't be shy.
You can see how powerful Western propaganda is by how many people didn't know the truth about 2014, and how many still don't. I supported what I thought was the revolution, and thought Ukraine was the victim of Russia, until I learned the truth of the matter.
That's why an informed citizenry is so dangerous to the regime.
You can see how powerful Russian propaganda is by making you retarded to not challenge him on these lies while answering. But say this bullshit instead.
I'll have this challenge for you: https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/16aTHG0Eeh/x/c/4TrI3waM3wC
Pleae come back and tell me what you saw in the cities west of Donetsk city, after just 1 year of actual shelling of ethnic Russians (by Russia), as compared to these now 9 years of "the non stop shelling of ethnic Russians" by Ukraine. No, really please do, and be sincere about it.
Then you can compare these pictures to the effect of the repeated shelling campaigns against mostly ethnic Russian residents (and all Russian citizens) by Russia in Grozny. Because the cities west of Donetsk now actually look worse than Grozny ever did, including when it was the most destroyed city on Earth at one point - and they're not even done there yet.
Eh, it's close enough. At least he knows about the shelling, which most of the propgandized people in the West don't know.
I think I had already answered this one. Obviously, open war is going to do more damage than intermittent shelling. If your petty puppet statelet had actually launched an all-out assault on the Donbas, which I was surprised to recently read Zelensky decided on in 2021, things would look very similar.
Probably worse, because the international media would be on the side of the people wrecking the place.
But there was no shelling. There was not even artillery, on both sides of the contact line, because the arty was withdrawn. For years the ceasefire-violations explosions were from occasional grenades or anti-tank guided missiles (aimed at supply trucks or bunkers rather than tanks, because tanks were also withdrawn) or mortars at most, directed at trenchlines and ouposts, and again I guess I need to repeat they were coming from BOTH sides of the conflict.
The extremely few civilians who died in recent years were mostly victims of old mines or enexploded munitions from 2014-2015, across both sides of the contact line, and originally belonging to both sides. Usually there were 0 (zero) civilians deaths from active hostilities during any given month from 2018 to 2022.
The "petty puppet statelet had actually launched an all-out assault on the Donbas" indeed, the DNR-LNR did just this on February 24 of last year. It was just went nowhere except only on Mariupol direction, and this only due to the attack by Russian regulars from the west (from Crimea) where there have been no fortifications whatsoever. Ukraine abandoned northern Luhansk because it was undefensible for the same reason (now suddenly surrounded from south, east and north, with any fortifications only on the contact line to the south). But just west of Donetsk - it's 1 year of continuous attacks where they only really captured the village of Pisky, which was just west across the Airport airstirp (and which they've been also shelling and attacking 2014-2017 despite the ceasefire). Even what remains of Mariinka is still contested (since 2015).
And the losses of DNR-LNR forces (who are now officially are regular Russian soldiers and police since the annexation) in 2022 have been just horrible for very little gain and never achieving any breakthrough west from the lines of 2015-2022 except in Mariupol where it was due to Russian Marines going from west and even north everntually. Most of them were untrained conscripts (from the total conscription of all males ages 18-60 announded a week before Feb 24) and given often WWII gear and weapons. LNR-DNR territories self-genocided their male population by turning them into cannon fodder. Only in the first few months more of them died than in all of 2014-2022, and that's to just their official statistics. And the territory was hugely underpopulated to begin with, most people had long left either to Ukrainian or Russian territories (or to Poland). At this rate it's soon going to end like Paraguay after its insane conflict, almost every able (and its very losely defined, like they've been since taking men over 60 too) man who didn't escape from Donetsk City will be first press ganged and then end up dead or maimed. Unless is captured, or deserts.
A friend of my friend once helped a Bosnian Serb deserter from the VRS to escape to Germany with his wife and kids. One day he was press ganged along with all men from his village until he deserted. They've first escaped to hide in Belgrade and then were taken by smugglers who were supposed to take them to Germany where his brother lived but left them in Poland.
Yep. Although relevant happenings go back even further.
https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2022/03/02/the-history-behind-the-russia-ukraine-war/
Is it about the Soviet conquest of Ukraine and the resulting murder of millions by man-made famine and direct means, and the replacement of the killed off natives by Russian setters?
He was so close and yet so far.
Long writing, and yet zero instances of "Holodomor" or even "starvation" generally beyond some sperging about a nuclear war.
(And Ukraine in 1991 was the third top nuclear power in the world, much greater than China, before the Americans paid them to either destroy or transfer to Russia all of their warheads and delivery systems.)
Show me (and show yourself) the effects of these "non stop shelling of ethnic Russians" since "2014".
Go and compare Russian occupied (since 2014, Donetsk city, which is just completely undamaged beyond the airport area, the area which was defended by Ukraine and destroyed by Russia 2014-2015), with the Ukrinian held suburbs and sattelite cities like Avdiivka just to the west, of Donetsk city center, and which are literally leveled by Russia's actual "non-stop shelling of ethnic Russians" (now look like WWI frontline cities in France, something like Verdun or Ypres, and it's not a hyperbole: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zf-wFksRJ_M).
I'll wait for you.
And if you can't find on your own then here's for example Marinka city, also just west of Donetsk city, as of few days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11cvn9e/drone_footage_of_fighting_in_destroyed_marinka/ It looks literally like Hiroshima after the nuclear attack, but that's only a conventional "non-stop shelling" for 12 months (by Russia).
And here's Bakhmut city, also in Donbas but up north of Donetsk city, after a "non-stop shelling" by Russia for only 8 months: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o5y-xOARsP0
This is how Donetsk aArport (western Donetsk city) looked like that when Russian artillery was done with it in January 2015 after 8 months: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HBz81b-vvIE
Now, Donetsk city center, under Ukrainian "non-stop shelling" (8 years of it): https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM6Bc3dJGLk (and yes, it's a Lenin statue, their object of worship, and the entire conflict began as the hundreds of Lenins were being toppled across Ukraine in February-April 2014 but in the east there were rallies organised against just that).
Btw, Poland isn't "CIA". The Americans were still in Hillary Clinton's Russia Reset policy at the time. (About which Poland was both pissed off and dismayed.)
So, eagirely awaiting what you think when you compare the "non-stop shelling of ethnic Russians" by Ukraine and by Russia. You can research yourself, including Russian own propaganda from Donetsk city, that is their own videos from all their Lenin rallies through the years and the huge military parades in the city center on occasions like May 9 every year, which were never ever shelled or otherwise attacked at all despite being just few kilometers from Ukrainian positions in places like the city airport and later the village of Pisky literally across the airstrip. Hopefully you will arrive at the realization "holy fuck, I was lied to so shamelessly and yet somehow I just believed it".
So they're destroying statues and erasing history like ISIS and the woke crowd in the West. How interesting.
I regularly see videos of yet more shells landing in Donetsk. Recently, they hit a hospital, and you blamed "old, inaccurate Soviet artillery".
What if they had attacked a Victory Day parade? It would probably have made it unsustainable for Russia to continue to do nothing. But now the gloves are off and they're shelling civilians every week, apparently in an attempt to force Russia to attack the heavily fortified areas from which they are launching them, or look weak.
Ww also destroyed all Lenins in Poland and "erased history like ISIS". How interesting!
(We also destroyed all Hitler statues once, but one bust was recently placed in Warsaw as an experimental modern art piece. It can be viewed only through a peep hole in a wall and it's in the former Warsaw Ghetto.)
How many of these shells? Tens? Hundreds? Millions, like Russias's shelling of Donetsk suburbs and satttelite towns?
Recently they've been increasingly sending drones to target indicvidal Russian troops in the streets of central Donetsk with airdropped grenades. You can see how these streets are completely undamaged until a tiny blast mark appears next to some falling little green men.