Okay now that's a shit take. First off, the thing nazis are most famous for, the whole holocaust thing? Inspired by Stalin's Holodomor in early 30s where he starved several million ukrainians to death. The Soviets also had a share in the butchering of people including jews in eastern europe - the holocaust just being the two german camps is a common misunderstanding. Both nations committed acts of butchery across eastern Europe. Stalin then went on to find far more death and psychosis than Hitler ever did.
The only reasonable take on "hitler or stalin" was George Patton's: fuck it, we'll get em both. He would have had th third army rolling over moscow within weeks.
Okay now that's a shit take. First off, the thing nazis are most famous for, the whole holocaust thing? Inspired by Stalin's Holodomor in early 30s where he starved several million ukrainians to death. The Soviets also had a share in the butchering of people including jews in eastern europe - the holocaust just being the two german camps is a common misunderstanding. Both nations committed acts of butchery across eastern Europe. Stalin then went on to find far more death and psychosis than Hitler ever did.
No one in 1941 cared about the Holocaust, which had not even been started anyway (at least, not the gas chambers). What they cared about was preventing Hitler becoming a world power.
Yes, Stalin killed a lot of people. Perhaps his actions led to more deaths than Hitler's, the war excepted. That said, most of his killings took place before World War II. Considering that Hitler was planning on exteriminating all Slavs, was it really bad for them that Stalin won and not Hitler? I'd say that it is very good that Stalin won and not Hitler.
The only reasonable take on "hitler or stalin" was George Patton's: fuck it, we'll get em both. He would have had th third army rolling over moscow within weeks.
If the unopposed might of the Wehrmacht failed to do that, what makes you think the Allies could? It was not possible, the populations and army would not stand for it, and it's a stupid plan overall.
Patton's death was under extremely suspicious circumstances.
As for: could the US on a war footing at basically full strength have beaten the soviets who were nowhere near full strength? Yes, if we had attacked immediately as Patton suggested, we could have wrecked them. We had better chances than any time after they got the nuke, that's for sure.
Patton's death was under extremely suspicious circumstances.
Yeah, I'm sure of that. In right-wing mythology, everyone who dies is murdered. From Andrew Breitbart to Scalia.
As for: could the US on a war footing at basically full strength have beaten the soviets who were nowhere near full strength?
By all accounts, the Soviet army was vastly more powerful than those of all allies put together. So yes. Besides, the US was still fighting Japan.
But I'm not even solely talking about practicalities. World politics is not a game of Risk where you can turn on your ally in a war of aggression after years of portraying it positively. The American public and military simply would not have stood for it.
Yes, if we had attacked immediately as Patton suggested, we could have wrecked them. We had better chances than any time after they got the nuke, that's for sure.
See, you proved my point. You're digging into a position that has long been proven wrong.
TERFs haven't done anything, the heavy lifting has all been done by conservatives. I still hope President Trump holds women's organizations accountable.
No, because I understand politics. I'll support Stalin to beat Hitler.
Okay now that's a shit take. First off, the thing nazis are most famous for, the whole holocaust thing? Inspired by Stalin's Holodomor in early 30s where he starved several million ukrainians to death. The Soviets also had a share in the butchering of people including jews in eastern europe - the holocaust just being the two german camps is a common misunderstanding. Both nations committed acts of butchery across eastern Europe. Stalin then went on to find far more death and psychosis than Hitler ever did.
The only reasonable take on "hitler or stalin" was George Patton's: fuck it, we'll get em both. He would have had th third army rolling over moscow within weeks.
They killed him for saying it.
No one in 1941 cared about the Holocaust, which had not even been started anyway (at least, not the gas chambers). What they cared about was preventing Hitler becoming a world power.
Yes, Stalin killed a lot of people. Perhaps his actions led to more deaths than Hitler's, the war excepted. That said, most of his killings took place before World War II. Considering that Hitler was planning on exteriminating all Slavs, was it really bad for them that Stalin won and not Hitler? I'd say that it is very good that Stalin won and not Hitler.
If the unopposed might of the Wehrmacht failed to do that, what makes you think the Allies could? It was not possible, the populations and army would not stand for it, and it's a stupid plan overall.
You were talking sense up to this point.
Patton's death was under extremely suspicious circumstances.
As for: could the US on a war footing at basically full strength have beaten the soviets who were nowhere near full strength? Yes, if we had attacked immediately as Patton suggested, we could have wrecked them. We had better chances than any time after they got the nuke, that's for sure.
Yeah, I'm sure of that. In right-wing mythology, everyone who dies is murdered. From Andrew Breitbart to Scalia.
By all accounts, the Soviet army was vastly more powerful than those of all allies put together. So yes. Besides, the US was still fighting Japan.
But I'm not even solely talking about practicalities. World politics is not a game of Risk where you can turn on your ally in a war of aggression after years of portraying it positively. The American public and military simply would not have stood for it.
And get millions killed for literally no reason.
See, you proved my point. You're digging into a position that has long been proven wrong.
TERFs haven't done anything, the heavy lifting has all been done by conservatives. I still hope President Trump holds women's organizations accountable.
You never have.
Not to the extent you have with TERFs.
You have never proven the position wrong, was what I meant.