I agree, but you know as well as I do that this will not happen…
No court in Current Year will prosecute that. They know that a literal mob can just be called up in response…
Which is to say, should this happen (giving their money back)..? Absolutely yes.
Will it happen? I very, very much doubt it.
I’ve dealt with enough university administration parasites in my own place to know that they do not readily give things back, including and especially money…
Because in general, again from experience, when someone in a position of relative “power” knows that they don’t have to do something, they simply won’t do it, until and unless they are made to…
From experience, again, no, these people don’t care about “morals”. “Morals are relative”, after all!
They care about money, and securing their own position/reputation/tenure.
This doesn’t necessarily go for, say, tutors, but pretty much every lecturer I’ve met has been like that, and the Admin staff/deans/degree coordinators are some of the worst people I have had to work under…
I’m really very jaded about this shit.
One thing I will say, though: we like to blame the academics themselves, here, but I feel that we tend to underestimate the massive power and influence that career admin staff have…
They ruined my life (long story). I’m not entirely sure I will ever fully recover from that. And every time I have dealt with one since, they’ve behaved with the same utter arrogance and sheer contempt…
Two Unis (three, if we’re including work). Three states. Like, 5 campuses. Three/Four cities…
Again, that's reflective of how this managerial coup tends to work.
The face of the organisation is the very last thing to get replaced. By the time the face is showing cracks the entire rest of the organisation has been lost to corruption already.
Yeah, they basically think they are the government. It's annoying. My parents live near a university, and the strange bubble between the town and it are weird. The locals and students don't meet together or even go to the same bar. Also, the local deer population knows how to cross the street better than the students.
But it was also very much a working class port town (things in Australia don’t always work the way they do in the US, remember).
So imagine that, but on steroids…
10% of the population (including me, briefly, before reality kicked me in the teeth) largely looking down on the other nearly 90%…
We hardly interacted with “the locals”, while living on campus. I’m sure it was probably different for the girls, but on a night out, I hung out with the other students, and my friends were nearly all other students/staff/had something to do with the Uni…
Not sustainable, and not good. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I lost it all…
This is why socialism makes sense to them. Their entire world is that bubble and they can't see the garbageman or any worker. So they're perfect world is kept in a bubble that is supported by people they can't see. The world they live in has central control and everything is provided. Why doesn't anyone else want this?
To be fair, some of the staff that work in those places are entitled as heck, too…
Particularly “student staff” (i.e. they both work and study there)…
The amount of times I’ve seen cleaners throw away people’s shit, say, in a library or computer lab, when they nipped out to the bathroom or something - too many to count, lol…
Which… Teaches you some harsh life lessons, sure. But fucking hell are they overzealous…
It’s especially frustrating when you see that it’s something important to someone, like, say, a necklace, and then the Uni student-staff just throw it away, instead of keeping it for safekeeping, because to them, it “has no value”…
Yeah. For me, it meant that when things went wrong, I had nothing to fall back on…
My job was internal. My accommodation was internal. My sports teams were internal. My friends were (initially, largely) internal. I spent more time (again, disastrously) hanging out in the major city one hour away than I did in my city of residence, outside of the Uni…
I tried to change this (particularly in first year, before shit hit the fan, and in third year, coming back to try, and fail, again), and to spend more time in and around the city itself, but it did not work out for me…
I was dumb, naïve and immature. So were most other people, but they coped better/I guess were more mentally “capable”…
Unfortunately a caveat to my own failure in that environment is that “closed bubbles”, like you say, mean that real psychos can have massively undue influence…
I met and dealt with a couple of those.
Again, this never comes down to one single thing, but if I had just… Not had to live with those psychos, when I did, or if students weren’t, in general, such selfish fucking arseholes, then maybe I would not be the fucking mess I am today…
So I agree that university life in many places looks like socialism. I don't understand why anybody would be confused about life based on that when you can see the inputs and outputs
I agree, but you know as well as I do that this will not happen…
No court in Current Year will prosecute that. They know that a literal mob can just be called up in response…
Which is to say, should this happen (giving their money back)..? Absolutely yes.
Will it happen? I very, very much doubt it.
I’ve dealt with enough university administration parasites in my own place to know that they do not readily give things back, including and especially money…
Because in general, again from experience, when someone in a position of relative “power” knows that they don’t have to do something, they simply won’t do it, until and unless they are made to…
That’s my 20c, anyway.
Agreed. Unless there's legal documents stating that the funds are contingent upon the name, all you've got is a moral case.
I cannot picture university staff being concerned with any kind of moral case, given the environment they have created to work in.
From experience, again, no, these people don’t care about “morals”. “Morals are relative”, after all!
They care about money, and securing their own position/reputation/tenure.
This doesn’t necessarily go for, say, tutors, but pretty much every lecturer I’ve met has been like that, and the Admin staff/deans/degree coordinators are some of the worst people I have had to work under…
I’m really very jaded about this shit.
One thing I will say, though: we like to blame the academics themselves, here, but I feel that we tend to underestimate the massive power and influence that career admin staff have…
They ruined my life (long story). I’m not entirely sure I will ever fully recover from that. And every time I have dealt with one since, they’ve behaved with the same utter arrogance and sheer contempt…
Two Unis (three, if we’re including work). Three states. Like, 5 campuses. Three/Four cities…
Same shit.
Again, that's reflective of how this managerial coup tends to work.
The face of the organisation is the very last thing to get replaced. By the time the face is showing cracks the entire rest of the organisation has been lost to corruption already.
Yeah, they basically think they are the government. It's annoying. My parents live near a university, and the strange bubble between the town and it are weird. The locals and students don't meet together or even go to the same bar. Also, the local deer population knows how to cross the street better than the students.
I lived in a “University town”, too, for a while…
But it was also very much a working class port town (things in Australia don’t always work the way they do in the US, remember).
So imagine that, but on steroids…
10% of the population (including me, briefly, before reality kicked me in the teeth) largely looking down on the other nearly 90%…
We hardly interacted with “the locals”, while living on campus. I’m sure it was probably different for the girls, but on a night out, I hung out with the other students, and my friends were nearly all other students/staff/had something to do with the Uni…
Not sustainable, and not good. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I lost it all…
So yeah, I get that. I really do.
This is why socialism makes sense to them. Their entire world is that bubble and they can't see the garbageman or any worker. So they're perfect world is kept in a bubble that is supported by people they can't see. The world they live in has central control and everything is provided. Why doesn't anyone else want this?
To be fair, some of the staff that work in those places are entitled as heck, too…
Particularly “student staff” (i.e. they both work and study there)…
The amount of times I’ve seen cleaners throw away people’s shit, say, in a library or computer lab, when they nipped out to the bathroom or something - too many to count, lol…
Which… Teaches you some harsh life lessons, sure. But fucking hell are they overzealous…
It’s especially frustrating when you see that it’s something important to someone, like, say, a necklace, and then the Uni student-staff just throw it away, instead of keeping it for safekeeping, because to them, it “has no value”…
I’ve seen some shit, dude. 😑
Yeah. For me, it meant that when things went wrong, I had nothing to fall back on…
My job was internal. My accommodation was internal. My sports teams were internal. My friends were (initially, largely) internal. I spent more time (again, disastrously) hanging out in the major city one hour away than I did in my city of residence, outside of the Uni…
I tried to change this (particularly in first year, before shit hit the fan, and in third year, coming back to try, and fail, again), and to spend more time in and around the city itself, but it did not work out for me…
I was dumb, naïve and immature. So were most other people, but they coped better/I guess were more mentally “capable”…
Unfortunately a caveat to my own failure in that environment is that “closed bubbles”, like you say, mean that real psychos can have massively undue influence…
I met and dealt with a couple of those.
Again, this never comes down to one single thing, but if I had just… Not had to live with those psychos, when I did, or if students weren’t, in general, such selfish fucking arseholes, then maybe I would not be the fucking mess I am today…
Maybe.
So I agree that university life in many places looks like socialism. I don't understand why anybody would be confused about life based on that when you can see the inputs and outputs
Inflation.
No 2c coin in Straya. 😛 Not anymore, anyway, lol…
I’m not so good at “short, snappy” answers, as I am sure you have noticed by now! 😂