Roaches get fucked.
Erdogan was holding up the NATO ratification of Finland and Sweden unless they turned over Turkish political dissidents to him en masse. Having basic respect for human rights and the concept of an independent judiciary, they said no. So there has been an impasse throughout 2022.
NATO member Turkey requested in October 2021 to buy 40 advanced F-16 fighter jets, 79 kits that would upgrade Turkey’s existing fleet of aged F-16s, as well as hundreds of bombs and missiles. The U.S. has warned Turkey that Congress may not approve the $20 billion sale if Ankara does not ratify Sweden's and Finland's NATO bids, a senior Turkish official said on condition of anonymity.
Turns out you can't run an airforce off of little TB-2 drones. Turkey's air force is based on F-16s, and they need the US for modernization, upgrades, and maintenance.
Blackmail.
Fuck Finland, fuck Sweden, fuck Sweden again, and fuck Ukraine.
Both Turkey and the US are engaging in blackmail.
You only complain about one of the two.
It's not blackmail by Turkey.
Finland is a lame duck, a useless waste of space living in daydreams of Simo Hayha when they got conquered by middle aged women who read the SCUM Manifesto for pleasure. Nobody says "I'm under attack, call the Finns and the Swedes!".
It's just another handout for collapsing feminist governments who will push their military budget onto the backs of US taxpayers to give women more benefits.
No? Deportation of folks Turkey doesn't like has absolutely nothing to do with NATO membership, though I'm glad they're holding up this nonsense.
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All kidding aside, how does this prove that it is not blackmail by Turkey?
BTW, you swore high and low that Finland and Denmark only abolished Covid restrictions early in 2022 in order to reintroduce them later on the year and "make it more painful for men". What happened to that, Impstradamus?
Those groups are considered terrorists.
Because even a blind person can see that Finland and Sweden are just another dead weight.
Noted. Whoever a given government 'considers terrorists' is fine to be deported to face a show trial for opposing the government.
Say, have you not been saying that the UK government considers you a terrorist?
What's more likely: that the ruthless US security state is adding 'dead weight' to its empire, or that Imp is wrong?
I note that you did not address your brilliant prediction about how Finland and Denmark would reintroduce Covid restrictions and that they only abolished them to make it more painful.
The UK Government is illegitimate as per the UN's Rome Statute, crimes against humanity - "persecution of a gender".
That the US feminist puppet government is financially propping up their allies.
Good thing Turkey is completely legitimate. Also, don't play the lawyer. You're not good at it.
Great. I'll take that as seriously as your claim that Kyle Rittenhouse's girlfriend is a gold-digger because of a "huge settlement" that you made up on the spot.
Blackmail? I think you intended to say "extortion", but that's wrong, too. The United States isn't obligated to sell fighter jets to anyone, and can attach any and all strings it wishes to any such sales.
You are weirdly patriotic considering our county has fallen to globohomo communists and demographic replacement.
Trump was president from 2017-2020. A Republican will be president again come 2024. Idk how you can say our country has "fallen" unless you're just demoralized like a Frenchman in 1940, looking for an excuse not to fight.
lol, Finland and Sweden having respect for human rights and an independent judiciary?!??! C'mon man. Who are you kidding?
Turkey has a near-neighbor to the north from which it can buy all the fighter jets its needs. It doesn't need to pad the pockets of Raytheon. However, knowing that these pols get kickbacks from military contracts, they probably will!
OK, so what you're claiming is that despite the fact that NATO is advertised as an alliance, the rights the members have on paper matter not at all, and that it is in fact an American empire?
We agree!
That said, I'm not anti-NATO because there surely will be another European war if there isn't a giant bully running around. But it should not be expanding into Russia's sphere of influence.
If you disagree, feel free to make your case.
Why would Turkey buy Russian fighter jets when:
The Ukraine war proves they're trash that can't even win against Soviet-era SAM systems from the 1980s and older. Nothing Russia has can compete with modern F16s. We know that now. The US was able to operate F16s successfully in Iraq against an Iraqi SAM force that was just as capable as Ukraine's. Russia can't. There is a generational inferiority with Russian equipment.
Russia doesn't have slack production to sell to other countries when it's doing everything it can to replace its own losses.
Turkey already has an air force entirely made of F16s plus some super old F4s that Israel modernized. The whole force is built around the F16s, and trying to transition to totally incompatible technology would be a nightmare.
The US punished Turkey for buying Russian SAMs by cutting it from the F-35 program. Actually switching out NATO fighters for Russian ones would carry far more serious consequences, such as the US completely cutting Turkey off from further servicing of its existing fleet of F16s, making them instantly lose most of their value and capability. Modern fighters need a steady flow of spare parts and other support.
No, that's stupid. NATO is a defensive alliance, but it does not include any provision obligating the US to supply its military technology to any member. The US would be obligated to assist Turkey "as [the US] deems necessary", but isn't required to sell or supply Turkey with anything.
The treaty also doesn't apply to conflicts between members (eg Greece, Turkey), and there are side agreements within the alliance (eg Greece, US)
The US can also abrogate the Treaty re: Turkey if its relations with Turkey deteriorate enough, and even though NATO has no expulsion provision, Turkey could be functionally "locked out" if enough members agreed to simply not let them in. It's not a particularly strong or formalized alliance. In the past, for example, France adopted a "one foot in, one foot out" approach.
Russia has no sphere of influence. Spheres of influence are defined by military power. Russia lacks the military power to credibly threaten anyone right now. It pathetically stands by and does nothing to help Armenia - it's ally - from constant attacks and pressure from Azerbaijan, because Russia doesn't have a single soldier to spare given its debacle in Ukraine.
Even if there was a cease fire agreement tomorrow freezing the front lines and ending the war in Ukraine, Russia couldn't credibly threaten anyone besides maybe Kazakhstan. Even Georgia would be able to slap the Russian military around now that it's clear it would benefit from Ukrainian advisors and help.
Maybe not even them. The Kazak president has been getting squirrelly recently and started thumbing his nose by taking up stance that would anger Russia (including implying he sides with Ukraine), and Russia's response has been fuck and all.
This is an anal-ysis straight from r/noncredibledefense and the #NAFO trannies on Twitter, dude. Get real.