I was rewatching some old episodes of Batman The Animated series, and it was surprising to see Poison Ivy as a sexy femme fatale along with Harley Quinn being Joker's devoted girlfriend/henchwoman as opposed to the two of them being frigid lesbians like in today's DC media.
It's fitting that everyone's target for "The most realistic depiction of lesbians ever" is an ecoterrorist feminist and a well educated girl with daddy issues that completely failed at her real job being completely toxic and violent to each other.
in Birds Of Prey, Margot Robbie's Harley "emancipates" herself from the Joker and starts a gang of girl boss badasses. There is also the recent cartoon titled Harley where Harley and Poison Ivy are literally a lesbian couple, and their dialogue and humor mostly just consists of misandric snark.
Also they had to completely gut Poison Ivy's character, because in the original Animated Series she was conniving and manipulative. Her team-ups with Harley was based on a power play by Ivy to control Harley into doing what Ivy wanted (similar to how she controlled men).
But having Ivy manipulate Harley and groom her into her sidekick in the "modernized" HBO cartoon would be too much like reflecting real life lesbian relationships.
Thats a good way to look at it, I also see it as just not having any female characters that are appealing to men because of "muh male gaze". Most of the female Batman villains were very Bond Girl like, and that doesn't appeal to the legbeards writing the show because Chads like Batman irl reject them, so they would rather write their femcel revenge fantasy instead.
I was rewatching some old episodes of Batman The Animated series, and it was surprising to see Poison Ivy as a sexy femme fatale along with Harley Quinn being Joker's devoted girlfriend/henchwoman as opposed to the two of them being frigid lesbians like in today's DC media.
It's fitting that everyone's target for "The most realistic depiction of lesbians ever" is an ecoterrorist feminist and a well educated girl with daddy issues that completely failed at her real job being completely toxic and violent to each other.
Also fat, do not forget it's fat frigid lesbians(at least Poison Ivy is)
Is Margot Robbie’s Harley a lesbian..?
Sure, she’s not very good, but is she actually?? How does that, uhh, work with her origin story then..?
Also, isn’t Poison Ivy’s whole power her ability to control men??
Not saying you’re wrong, necessarily. I just don’t understand how this works, in context, lol…
in Birds Of Prey, Margot Robbie's Harley "emancipates" herself from the Joker and starts a gang of girl boss badasses. There is also the recent cartoon titled Harley where Harley and Poison Ivy are literally a lesbian couple, and their dialogue and humor mostly just consists of misandric snark.
Also they had to completely gut Poison Ivy's character, because in the original Animated Series she was conniving and manipulative. Her team-ups with Harley was based on a power play by Ivy to control Harley into doing what Ivy wanted (similar to how she controlled men).
But having Ivy manipulate Harley and groom her into her sidekick in the "modernized" HBO cartoon would be too much like reflecting real life lesbian relationships.
Thats a good way to look at it, I also see it as just not having any female characters that are appealing to men because of "muh male gaze". Most of the female Batman villains were very Bond Girl like, and that doesn't appeal to the legbeards writing the show because Chads like Batman irl reject them, so they would rather write their femcel revenge fantasy instead.