Also they had to completely gut Poison Ivy's character, because in the original Animated Series she was conniving and manipulative. Her team-ups with Harley was based on a power play by Ivy to control Harley into doing what Ivy wanted (similar to how she controlled men).
But having Ivy manipulate Harley and groom her into her sidekick in the "modernized" HBO cartoon would be too much like reflecting real life lesbian relationships.
Thats a good way to look at it, I also see it as just not having any female characters that are appealing to men because of "muh male gaze". Most of the female Batman villains were very Bond Girl like, and that doesn't appeal to the legbeards writing the show because Chads like Batman irl reject them, so they would rather write their femcel revenge fantasy instead.
I also see it as just not having any female characters that are appealing to men because of "muh male gaze"
100% spot on.
It's a demoralization tactic wherein men who find certain traits of women highly attractive, they turn them alphabet and make them despise/hate/have zero interest in men. It's a way of saying "This woman, with traits you like, has no interest in you, and by proxy, women like this have no interest in you."
Similar to someone's post recently about how they've turned all tomboys into alphabets or encourage them into alphabet degeneracy as a way to deter females from liking male hobbies -- who otherwise would mingle peaceably with their male counterparts.
You see them consistently take popular femme fatales or characters (depicted as good or bad) that men really like or find attractive in some way, and re-orient them as a way to appeal to the legbeards, as you mentioned, and demoralize men in the process by outwardly making it known "You can never have someone like this."
(I mean, not that men should really want women like Poison Ivy or Harley, but for the men who find them physically attractive in some way, it depicts the notion that women with traits men like, aren't into men.)
Its also a form of cuck conditioning towards men. It tells them that women have a right to be disrespectful to them because "wahmen are oppressed" whilst at the same time men should still simp for them and accept that they can never have them because only an incel creep would think hes entitled to a woman he likes.
The whole appeal of the femme fatale types were that they exhibited traits in a woman that are very desirable to men (voluptuous, flirtatious, and feminine), and legbeards hate this because they don't relate to it, but since fat ugly females aren't appealing, they instead subvert the archetype by making it into a lesbian power fantasy to condition men into feeling guilty for their fantasies.
Even if someone like Poison Ivy or Harley isn't someone a man shouldn't really want, the appeal of the fantasy for men is having women of that caliber lusting after you, and this is a fantasy thats inherently exclusive to legbeards which is why they want to ruin it for men, sort of like the sore loser who flips the table during a board game.
Also they had to completely gut Poison Ivy's character, because in the original Animated Series she was conniving and manipulative. Her team-ups with Harley was based on a power play by Ivy to control Harley into doing what Ivy wanted (similar to how she controlled men).
But having Ivy manipulate Harley and groom her into her sidekick in the "modernized" HBO cartoon would be too much like reflecting real life lesbian relationships.
Thats a good way to look at it, I also see it as just not having any female characters that are appealing to men because of "muh male gaze". Most of the female Batman villains were very Bond Girl like, and that doesn't appeal to the legbeards writing the show because Chads like Batman irl reject them, so they would rather write their femcel revenge fantasy instead.
It was weird enough when Gotham made Ivy an “aged up” (twice!!) kid, thereby leading to the conclusion that she is a kid in an adult’s body…
Because of course they did.
Basically: “Hmm, this whole Ivy Pepper thing doesn’t really work without powers of seduction, hey?”
“Yeah, but she’s a kid, so…”
“I know, let’s age her up a bit!”
One season later…
“Nah, this is still weird…”
“Ok, let’s age her up another decade, change actresses again, AND completely change her personality!”
“Ok… Wait, what?!”
Aaand that’s what they did.
Logic.
Taps head
So yeah, I guess this was only the next “logical” step…
100% spot on.
It's a demoralization tactic wherein men who find certain traits of women highly attractive, they turn them alphabet and make them despise/hate/have zero interest in men. It's a way of saying "This woman, with traits you like, has no interest in you, and by proxy, women like this have no interest in you."
Similar to someone's post recently about how they've turned all tomboys into alphabets or encourage them into alphabet degeneracy as a way to deter females from liking male hobbies -- who otherwise would mingle peaceably with their male counterparts.
You see them consistently take popular femme fatales or characters (depicted as good or bad) that men really like or find attractive in some way, and re-orient them as a way to appeal to the legbeards, as you mentioned, and demoralize men in the process by outwardly making it known "You can never have someone like this."
(I mean, not that men should really want women like Poison Ivy or Harley, but for the men who find them physically attractive in some way, it depicts the notion that women with traits men like, aren't into men.)
Its also a form of cuck conditioning towards men. It tells them that women have a right to be disrespectful to them because "wahmen are oppressed" whilst at the same time men should still simp for them and accept that they can never have them because only an incel creep would think hes entitled to a woman he likes.
The whole appeal of the femme fatale types were that they exhibited traits in a woman that are very desirable to men (voluptuous, flirtatious, and feminine), and legbeards hate this because they don't relate to it, but since fat ugly females aren't appealing, they instead subvert the archetype by making it into a lesbian power fantasy to condition men into feeling guilty for their fantasies.
Even if someone like Poison Ivy or Harley isn't someone a man shouldn't really want, the appeal of the fantasy for men is having women of that caliber lusting after you, and this is a fantasy thats inherently exclusive to legbeards which is why they want to ruin it for men, sort of like the sore loser who flips the table during a board game.