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Sargon Is Still A Centrist (nitter.net)
posted 3 years ago by TentElephant 3 years ago by TentElephant +32 / -0
Carl Benjamin (@Sargon_of_Akkad)
Sensible centrism is: Reducing legal & illegal immigration to zero. Abolishing hate speech laws. Maintaining national sovereignty. Purging wokeness from institutions.Restoring the death penalty for severe crimes.Promoting family values. Reducing the welfar...
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– Steampunk_Moustache 27 points 3 years ago +27 / -0

Reducing legal & illegal immigration to zero.

That's not even remotely centrist no matter how much he wants to cling to the label.

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– poherf 21 points 3 years ago +21 / -0

It seems less like clinging to a label and more about branding right wing ideals as moderate and anything to the left of that extreme, which is the opposite of what the left does.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

I considered that that was what he was doing, but thought 'that would never work, nobody would be dumb enough to believe that was a centrist position', yet I've been proven wrong by people trying to argue that yes, it is.

If this is Sargon using The Big Lie, then fair play to him I guess. It somehow fucking works, at least with people who want to believe it.

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– Brennus 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

If the bar for center gets moved there then I’d consider it a major victory

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– Steampunk_Moustache 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

If the bar for center gets moved to zero immigration you are almost certainly living in an authoritarian police state where the government will kill you for saying the wrong thing.

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... continue reading thread?
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– 420praiseit894 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

From a purely economic standpoint, ignoring party policies and social insanity, it is actually centrist.

Regardless of your other beliefs, it is purely observable fact that labor works on supply and demand principles, and immigration reduces wages and unbalances this in favor of corporations. If you explain this in terms of workers rights it could technically be a democrat argument (and was a few decades ago) but the modern left trades in denying reality.

Restricting immigration when we are having a declining middle class, when we have no shortage of labor and our economy is going to shit is an obvious action with no actual functional arguments against it, ignoring ideological ones. If we had an enormous demand for labor and no supply and that was hampering economic activity, then opening immigration again could be a centrist policy.

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– TentElephant [S] 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Don't be so small minded that you define politics purely in the terms of current western elites. That would disregard the majority of countries in the world and history. The center is where you frame it.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

It's not centrist anywhere.

How many countries have policies of zero legal and illegal immigration right now? North Korea and Sentinel Island?

'Zero immigration' is not a centrist position and has not been widespread around the world in probably 500 years or more. It has never been the default.

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– WhoIsThatMaskedMan 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

Zero immigration is absolutely the centrist position. The far right position is to immediately execute any foreigner found on our soil. This was the policy of sengoku era Japan.

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– fake_namington 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Edo Period. Sengoku had a Catholic infestation that threatened to cause a religious civil war on top of the political one currently occurring.

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– current_horror 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

I mean, it has been the majority opinion of every prosperous nation since always, but our leaders have never cared about that.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

it has been the majority opinion

I doubt a majority opinion across the world has ever been 'zero foreigners whatsoever'. But even if we stretch and assume it once was, the majority will always be against immigration because the majority are the poor and immigration almost always negatively effects the poor.

...But at basically nopoint in history was 'zero immigration' ever mainstream position adopted by rulers of lands. Those on top did not discover the benefits of allowing foreigners in yesterday. They have been doing it for longer than the written word has existed.

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– realerfunction 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

sentinel island's immigration policy is based.

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– Assassin47 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I must be a left-wing activist, because I'm ok with some merit/points based immigration, but only with the endorsement and liability assumption of a 2nd generation native-born citizen. (this should replace marriage visas) Also any crime no matter how small gets you sent back.

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