Now before people latch on and say "you have TDS, you're just a leftist/RINO supporter" let me preface this, I do think he should run and win being president, but the way he is doing it is wrong.
I think he should run as an independent
The people vote for HIM, not the Republican party, if he came out in the speech saying in his own way "I cannot trust or respect the leadership of the Republican party especially when they denied funds to many in the midterms, so I am running independently until that trust can be earned". This would do a lot:
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Deny funding from the MAGA supporters to the Republicans, they'll still have their interest groups but now can't mix the money with grandma's donation.
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Bring more focus on the leaders like mitch because they've now been openly challenged
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Kill any hope for a Republican nominee, anyone trying to run between Biden and Trump would be committing political suicide so those suspicions of Desantis, this will be the ultimate test if he can see the trap. And since he's independent, they cannot screw him in the nomination process.
Just my thoughts, still concerned that Trump doesn't have the best advisors still and not making moves like this .
In a more honest world that would be a good solution. It has historical precident.
In current year I think the move is to purge the republican party of rinos and rebirth the party as a mighty unified lion
And I worry that they are falling into a quicksand trap to do it, I get it you need to hope for the best and rally your fellow voters.
But my plan for the worst side is that they want to demoralise the voter base and supporting politicians the few there are, by presenting it that the party can be reformed only to always snatch it away right as victory seems near. A way to ensure that people are too demoralised to fight back anymore.
Unfortunately the current party system is a brain parasite that controls American electoral process. It has become one with the host, and there is no way to safely remove it. GOP and DNC are two heads of the same creature. I'm not sure how people see the cheating or even simple lack of support that the GOP engaged in to stop Trump and other MAGA candidates, and think it won't be even easier for them to fend off a complete outsider when the GOP and DNC are openly working together. It's almost impossible by virtue of law, culture, and power.
I say almost because if anyone could pull it off - it would be Trump. He would have to treat it not as an (I)ndependent run, but as the culmination of a hostile takeover and rebranding of the old party. He would require support of incumbent GOP politicians in every competitive state leaving the party to go with him to the new one. He would need to fight against accusations of being a spoiler, and force people to see the old GOP as the spoilers. He would need wealthy and influential backers who currently support Republicans to shift their support to the new team. He would need all of us to work at the grassroots level to pressure our friends, family, and representatives to support the change. "Don't worry guys it's really just the new Republicans. We aren't splitting the party, we're throwing out the RINOs!" We would need enough power to change local and state election law and how machines are programmed to not favor a binary system. (or replace the old party with the new one) We would need well-known local politicians to run on the new name so grandma can still vote straight ticket - and remind her that R is now A or M or whatever. We would need coordinated mass resistance against well-funded Con Inc. media fighting against us the whole way.
At the same time, Team Trump would need to bet on the mainstream media publicizing all this hype of a new party and infighting enough that default Dem normies DO see it as a fresh choice, and no longer associate Trump with those smelly Republicans. He would need to invoke that same kind of Maverick energy that made people think 2016 was impossible until it wasn't, and made the GOP brush him off until it was too late to stop him.
It might have been achievable if he said he plans to do all that in two years. But he didn't, which tells me he doesn't think it's possible either. So I'll assume he knows what he can or can't accomplish more than the rest of us.
Which is unfortunate as the reason I suggested this is like you said if there's one guy that could pull off an independent run, it would be Trump. If he could pull it off once just for precedent it feels like it might provide a large enough crack in the uniparty that exists that they spread out too thin trying now stop independents to be effective.
The only way I can think of to break the chain of brainwashing is homeschooling and getting more Billionaires like Elon to take away their social media toys. But that's impossible to full do given that one of them is literally China!
I was kinda hoping Trump might lead to a mass division for the Republicans making it harder for the RINOs to pretend they have public support for all the shit they pull but if it's as bad you say, Europe has more of a shot of recovery than the US!
There should naturally be more billionaires like The Donald and The Elon. The fact that there isn't tells me it's the result of government and the middle-management culture making it difficult for any one individual to reach that level, while favoring large multinational corporations that are easier to control through threat of regulation. Individuals are hammered down while collectives prosper.
That's the "ORANGE MAN BAD" equivalent of the right.
Unfortunately, no one seems to be able to think for himself.
Possibly the worst idea I've ever heard (but I'm still not going to name call you). There are many who vote for Trump because he's Trump, and many more who vote for him because he is the GOP nominee. It'd be something like 45% Biden, 30% DeSantis, 20% Trump.
Even if Trump tanked before the election, he'd take away enough to make DeSantis lose.
Extraordinarily bad idea.
Hey always prefer constructive criticism than just having 'lol no you're stupid'. It's just more of a thought as if the midterms showed anything, it's the extent the very leadership of the Republicans will go to sabotage Trump even at the expense of their own party. I don't see the Republicans, let alone Trump winning in 2024 if nothing is done about the the Republican leadership from now to election day/month.
I'll be honest, now that Trump is running, I don't see Desantis running for 2024, he knows it's a lose lose game to try now so better to wait for 2028, if Trump did go independent, I wouldn't be surprised if the party tried to run a guy similar to Jeb Bush.
It would be hard to know how many vote only by party only as that tribalism has wrecked most of the Western world and led to the current leadership, there are so many smaller parties for people to choose but some voters treat voting like sports in that they must 'stay loyal to their team' rather than vote based on personal principles.
lol running as an independent would only split the vote like Ross Perot and hand the Democrats an easy win. It's the Democrat wet dream that Trump is stupid and self-destructive enough to alienate the Right so the Left can stay in power.
people in this sub claim to be Right wing yet they advocate for a strategy that would result in a permanent left wing majority and full left wing control of government. nobody like that is entitled to call themselves right wing. go join the left and tell them to do stupid shit that ruins their side.
You claim to be "Right wing" and yet you're happy with corrupt, useless, globalist back-stabbers running the GOP.
And BTW, how are you feeling about all that foreign aid to Ukraine that appears to have been laundered to FTX and then funneled into Democrat campaigns, eh? Y'know, just like everybody with half a brain would have predicted? How does that sit with a "true Right winger" like yourself?
I've never heard this claim before, and if it were true, I think I would have. Got any proof or sources?
People can have a different view from you without being whatever. If it were up to you, everyone would be copying Cocaine Mitch's talking points.
That said, I also disagree with him, I just don't think he's a shill.
If you are objectively trying to help the Democrats (the Left) win, you can't really claim to be loyal to the Right.
Hell, I think the 12 republicans who just voted for gay marriage in the senate are traitors to the Right, too. I just looked for a thread about it in this sub and no one cares I guess.
I never claimed to be right-wing, I'm a pragmatic realist.
Here's how I see it going towards and to 2024 under the current strategy:
They'll be a changing around of 'leaders' in the Republican party but they'll basically be younger versions of the same RINOS, Trump will campaign showing he has grass root support but all the time the Republican leadership, Democrats, establishment and Media all work to undermine him.
While this is happening, no effort will be made to ensure mail in voting is either gotten rid of or ensure the same kind if rules that Florida has will be put into effect.
I doubt Desantis or any real competition will be there in the nomination phase, Trump will get screwed once again at election, Democrats will win and a lot of MAGA voters will be blackpilled.
What a lot of people don't get is that when Trump got in he did it because he was essentially outside the rules so wasn't constrained by them, since then they've changed the process to apply to him, the same strategy won't work as it did in 2016. There is little of a 'right' in the Republican party, most of them wear it as a skinsuit so better to deny them that title, make it so they are basically Democrat light and not waste time being a hamster in their wheel.
You just read the title not the actual post?