Any more strawmen of anarchy you wanna get out? Maybe a classic "without government, who would build the roads"?
Every single day you reject authority. Every single day you take care of yourself and your own problems, and if the only thing stopping you from murder is government, then you're an objectively terrible person. But every single day you take care of your problems, and you balk at the idea of being expected to take care of yourself like you already do.
But hey, what's stopping you from being murdered now? Not what happens afterwards, what is actively preventing you from being killed? Government and law is purely reactive and not preventative. Drugs, "terror", "misinformation", doesn't matter what the government wages war on, it always loses their preventative efforts.
PS, you can still live in a voluntaryist organisation/group/collective/whatever label you want. You can still have private security if you want to pay for it. You just don't get to steal the labour of others to pay for it instead. Anarchy =/= chaos, but statists cannot comprehend that.
It's really utopian as well. "If we just have the right leader, with the right politics, with the right policies, with the right successors, surely this will all work out forever!".
Nothing will make you sound more insane than knowing a handful of things the government has openly admitted to, never faced consequences for, and therefore proceed to condemn government for. And it literally doesn't matter what government. They're all guilty of something like this.
I'm an OG GGer and a KiA2 poster, I naturally lean pessimistic. You're bizarrely optimistic about your little wonderland.
Always assume the negative in populations. Not the worst, but negative. Look to see where your worldview falls apart, when it is introduced to eight billion people, five-six billion+ of which have two-digit IQs by northwestern standards of IQ.
Now do that with your worldview. America is currently run by pedophiles. Everyone fucking knows it, and nothing is being done about it. And this is specifically the result of "small and limited government". It failed, just like all government fails. I'm not promising utopia, that's what statists do: lie about providing a service for your benefit. I'm part of the group saying "It's all lies, and you're beyond retarded for believing it".
I'm an OG GGer and a KiA2 poster
Okay, and? That has nothing to do with anything. Stop trying to cred-post, because it ultimately undermines that very effort.
And you keep on compromising on principles and willingly supporting evil. I'll keep having as many anarchistic interactions I possibly can. Ya know, living by what I preach rather than begging mommy government to wipe my ass.
Strawmen and ignorance of shills for hire aside, is it not a mistake (both technically and tactically) to link anarchism with voluntaryism? Yes they are necessarily related movements but to my understanding, voluntaryists are for government, just not the state as we know it. They propose voluntary government associations, of which there could be many in parallel. You'd pay taxes to who you choose to pay taxes to.
You could say the same result would happen under anarcho-capitalism, but that's a broader ideal that doesn't really define a "solution" beyond property rights. Voluntaryism is one solution.
Well this is where we get into a more semantical argument. Is a voluntary association a government? It technically doesn't govern or rule over you for it's entirely voluntary. That's the foundation of it.
You'd pay taxes to who you choose to pay taxes to.
Again, a semantics argument. It wouldn't be taxes at that point, it would be a bill for it's entirely your choice to engage in getting certain services. I'm not being "taxed" when I go fill up my car, I'm paying for the goods and services I have asked for. And really, this mentality is of treating payment and taxes the same is ultimately what leads to ideas like "The Social Contract" that nobody ever agreed to but we are for some reason beholden to.
Any more strawmen of anarchy you wanna get out? Maybe a classic "without government, who would build the roads"?
Every single day you reject authority. Every single day you take care of yourself and your own problems, and if the only thing stopping you from murder is government, then you're an objectively terrible person. But every single day you take care of your problems, and you balk at the idea of being expected to take care of yourself like you already do.
But hey, what's stopping you from being murdered now? Not what happens afterwards, what is actively preventing you from being killed? Government and law is purely reactive and not preventative. Drugs, "terror", "misinformation", doesn't matter what the government wages war on, it always loses their preventative efforts.
PS, you can still live in a voluntaryist organisation/group/collective/whatever label you want. You can still have private security if you want to pay for it. You just don't get to steal the labour of others to pay for it instead. Anarchy =/= chaos, but statists cannot comprehend that.
Most on this board are hardcore collectivists. Therefore, they can't understand the true nature of the State. "If only we had the right leader!"
It's really utopian as well. "If we just have the right leader, with the right politics, with the right policies, with the right successors, surely this will all work out forever!".
Nothing will make you sound more insane than knowing a handful of things the government has openly admitted to, never faced consequences for, and therefore proceed to condemn government for. And it literally doesn't matter what government. They're all guilty of something like this.
Nice strawman.
More like, "Well, we're stuck having a leader, so we might as well try to get one that at least isn't promising to do things that I don't want."
Except you're not stuck having a leader. You don't have to pick a "lesser" evil.
Yeah, good luck with convincing the vast majority of humanity to not gravitate towards some charismatic man with a plan when there's a power vaccum.
I'm an OG GGer and a KiA2 poster, I naturally lean pessimistic. You're bizarrely optimistic about your little wonderland.
Always assume the negative in populations. Not the worst, but negative. Look to see where your worldview falls apart, when it is introduced to eight billion people, five-six billion+ of which have two-digit IQs by northwestern standards of IQ.
Now do that with your worldview. America is currently run by pedophiles. Everyone fucking knows it, and nothing is being done about it. And this is specifically the result of "small and limited government". It failed, just like all government fails. I'm not promising utopia, that's what statists do: lie about providing a service for your benefit. I'm part of the group saying "It's all lies, and you're beyond retarded for believing it".
Okay, and? That has nothing to do with anything. Stop trying to cred-post, because it ultimately undermines that very effort.
So does arguing on the internet, so have a great day dreaming of a world that will never be, even if all your desires come to pass.
And you keep on compromising on principles and willingly supporting evil. I'll keep having as many anarchistic interactions I possibly can. Ya know, living by what I preach rather than begging mommy government to wipe my ass.
Strawmen and ignorance of shills for hire aside, is it not a mistake (both technically and tactically) to link anarchism with voluntaryism? Yes they are necessarily related movements but to my understanding, voluntaryists are for government, just not the state as we know it. They propose voluntary government associations, of which there could be many in parallel. You'd pay taxes to who you choose to pay taxes to.
You could say the same result would happen under anarcho-capitalism, but that's a broader ideal that doesn't really define a "solution" beyond property rights. Voluntaryism is one solution.
Well this is where we get into a more semantical argument. Is a voluntary association a government? It technically doesn't govern or rule over you for it's entirely voluntary. That's the foundation of it.
Again, a semantics argument. It wouldn't be taxes at that point, it would be a bill for it's entirely your choice to engage in getting certain services. I'm not being "taxed" when I go fill up my car, I'm paying for the goods and services I have asked for. And really, this mentality is of treating payment and taxes the same is ultimately what leads to ideas like "The Social Contract" that nobody ever agreed to but we are for some reason beholden to.