If you want to see if Nazis were Christians, actually look at the Nazi religion. It's not a Christian, it's weird "Cult of The Aryan" kinda looney shit.
Not only that, Hitler wrote extensively about how much he hated Christianity and thought that it was a weak religion that made you a cuck. And the only reason he couldnt get rid of it was because there were so many Germans who were worshippers that it would be more than a little obvious.
Considering he took only the wrong lessons from Nietzsche, who fundamentally thought Christianity was a kind of slave-mentality moral framework, it's not a surprise that Hitler wouldn't like Christianity.
Heck, his biggest real electoral threat came from German Catholics.
If he had tried to openly remove Christianity from all of Germany (rather than subverting it into the Nazi religion), he would have been seen as too similar to the Communists.
It is interesting to me that although the Catholics never posed a big problem in Italy, and the Catholics even joined with the Fascists in Spain (even forming Falangism), it seems like National Socialism violated something in the Catholic germans' principles.
Fundamentally, I think that unless a Socialist makes space for Catholicism, it's just going to be treated as a rival religion.
The round table talks had little context and are subject to arguably deliberate mistranslation, abridging, and framing (to delegitimize him to english speaking countries who might have been on the fence about WWII, who were largely Christian at the time; Thus, among other collective psycho-sociological efforts, they sought to bury any chance of a counter narrative seeding and any
meaningful association with him), beyond that I don't know where you might extrapolate these "extensive" writings. Goebbels and others maybe, but the bulk of Germans were absolutely Christian/Catholic, as was the Fuhrer, though it would make sense that he would fall away from the faith because a profound criticism of Christendom was bouncing around the interoccular of philosophy at the time along with the undeniable factor of social pressure from his cohorts.
What can be said of Christendom? It is not a worldly faith. If you are doing anything less than the anabaptists and the Orthodoxy then you're essentially doing it wrong. Though, the 25 points of NSDAP are in no way a contrast to the values of mainstream Christianity, in fact, the 24th point contradicts you entirely.
They were actually one of the only political factions that seemed to try and hunker down and just survive outside of the war, but were stuck within Germany, without ever trying to collaborate. Meanwhile: the Communists either died or joined the Nazis, and the Socialists just mildly complained that they weren't in charge.
Honestly, the DemSoc complaints in the war can be basically summed up with: "This isn't real socialism! Gobbels is lying! The economy would work better with Socialism that was funding what I want!" and that's about it.
The likes of Evola were welcomed into and loved by many in Nazi Germany. If you've ever read Evola, you'll know that he had no time for Christianity, and was a big promoter of Neo Paganism.
Like how could anyone believe Nazis were pro Christian…. The ideaology most closely associated with hating Jews for some reason are big fan of a religion whose savior is a Jew.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Jesus of Nazareth would have been a jew both ethnically and culturally. Hell, at best you could argue he was demanding reform to a jewish establishment which had aligned itself with the romans for power (and after being repeatedly crushed in rebellions).
Islamofascist isn't a term for National Socialists, it's a term for Jihadists.
Sayid Qtub's writings actually kind of do show a sense of Fascism in "Social Justice In Islam". But, it's not because he's a dedicated Fascist. It's because a Jihadist state literally does make the state God and the epicenter of all moral thought. Both are even rejecting materialist frameworks. The Fascists and Jihadists just ended up at the same conclusion, but the former had to invent a metaphysical concept of a nation, where the latter simply re-asserted Muslims as a nation.
Ah yes, the National Socialist Christians.
If you want to see if Nazis were Christians, actually look at the Nazi religion. It's not a Christian, it's weird "Cult of The Aryan" kinda looney shit.
Not only that, Hitler wrote extensively about how much he hated Christianity and thought that it was a weak religion that made you a cuck. And the only reason he couldnt get rid of it was because there were so many Germans who were worshippers that it would be more than a little obvious.
Considering he took only the wrong lessons from Nietzsche, who fundamentally thought Christianity was a kind of slave-mentality moral framework, it's not a surprise that Hitler wouldn't like Christianity.
Heck, his biggest real electoral threat came from German Catholics.
If he had tried to openly remove Christianity from all of Germany (rather than subverting it into the Nazi religion), he would have been seen as too similar to the Communists.
It is interesting to me that although the Catholics never posed a big problem in Italy, and the Catholics even joined with the Fascists in Spain (even forming Falangism), it seems like National Socialism violated something in the Catholic germans' principles.
Fundamentally, I think that unless a Socialist makes space for Catholicism, it's just going to be treated as a rival religion.
The round table talks had little context and are subject to arguably deliberate mistranslation, abridging, and framing (to delegitimize him to english speaking countries who might have been on the fence about WWII, who were largely Christian at the time; Thus, among other collective psycho-sociological efforts, they sought to bury any chance of a counter narrative seeding and any meaningful association with him), beyond that I don't know where you might extrapolate these "extensive" writings. Goebbels and others maybe, but the bulk of Germans were absolutely Christian/Catholic, as was the Fuhrer, though it would make sense that he would fall away from the faith because a profound criticism of Christendom was bouncing around the interoccular of philosophy at the time along with the undeniable factor of social pressure from his cohorts.
What can be said of Christendom? It is not a worldly faith. If you are doing anything less than the anabaptists and the Orthodoxy then you're essentially doing it wrong. Though, the 25 points of NSDAP are in no way a contrast to the values of mainstream Christianity, in fact, the 24th point contradicts you entirely.
Gee I wonder what could have given him that idea.
There were plenty of Catholics martyred the camps, thrown there for putting God above the state.
They were actually one of the only political factions that seemed to try and hunker down and just survive outside of the war, but were stuck within Germany, without ever trying to collaborate. Meanwhile: the Communists either died or joined the Nazis, and the Socialists just mildly complained that they weren't in charge.
Honestly, the DemSoc complaints in the war can be basically summed up with: "This isn't real socialism! Gobbels is lying! The economy would work better with Socialism that was funding what I want!" and that's about it.
The likes of Evola were welcomed into and loved by many in Nazi Germany. If you've ever read Evola, you'll know that he had no time for Christianity, and was a big promoter of Neo Paganism.
I mean, what is the Volkish Movement if not Neo Paganism?
Like how could anyone believe Nazis were pro Christian…. The ideaology most closely associated with hating Jews for some reason are big fan of a religion whose savior is a Jew.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Jesus of Nazareth would have been a jew both ethnically and culturally. Hell, at best you could argue he was demanding reform to a jewish establishment which had aligned itself with the romans for power (and after being repeatedly crushed in rebellions).
Me neither, especially since my comment on Nazis did not like Christian’s got upvoted.
Islamofascist isn't a term for National Socialists, it's a term for Jihadists.
Sayid Qtub's writings actually kind of do show a sense of Fascism in "Social Justice In Islam". But, it's not because he's a dedicated Fascist. It's because a Jihadist state literally does make the state God and the epicenter of all moral thought. Both are even rejecting materialist frameworks. The Fascists and Jihadists just ended up at the same conclusion, but the former had to invent a metaphysical concept of a nation, where the latter simply re-asserted Muslims as a nation.