That's a very sound and logically argument, except it is flawed by one key misunderstanding:
Is this designed to win over support in the West?
Why would they try, the West have actively been supplying the enemy, sanctioning and targeting Russian private citizens if they don't actively denounce Putin. There's no winning them over.
So what about the rest of the world? Well China wants to help Russia to keep this going, African countries don't care they want to continue business for grain imports, OPEC sided with Russia,India are interested in business and South America view this as US trying to push itself in the world again. This kind of retaliation after the car bomb to these countries actually plays off really well. It's seen as striking back against terrorists by the only effective method, force and unrestrained violence. Letting your enemy know they may hurt you but you can bury them at home.
Is this designed to win over support in the West? Why would they try, the West have actively been supplying the enemy, sanctioning and targeting Russian private citizens if they don't actively denounce Putin. There's no winning them over.
You misunderstand me. I did not say Russia was trying to "win over" the West, just to not inflame it and hope it becomes ambivalent.
Well China wants to help Russia to keep this going
You apparently don't follow the news. No, China is absolutely not on Russia's side in this. China has consistently distanced itself from Russia and partially complied with sanctions. China only cares about China. I know the Russiabots dream of a China-Russia alliance, but China only looks out for itself, and it sees Russia as having fucked up and miscalcuated and doesn't want the blowback against Russia to undermine China's ambitions to conquer Taiwan.
9/15/22: General Secretary Xi Jinping meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Summit in Uzbekistan. According to the Russian readout, Xi and Putin discuss Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, about which Putin acknowledges that China has “questions and concerns,” while also thanking China for what Putin calls China’s “balanced position” on the invasion. The Chinese readout of the bilateral meeting does not mention a discussion of Ukraine or China’s no-limits partnership with Russia.
9/18/22: U.S. President Joe Biden says in an interview with 60 Minutes, “Thus far, there’s no indication [China has] put forward weapons or other things that Russia has wanted.”
OPEC sided with Russia
Not at all. OPEC only cares about OPEC. They didn't cut production to help Russia.
South America view this as US trying to push itself in the world again.
Wrong. Most South Americans sided with Ukraine, with only Venezuela supporting Putin. Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, the Dominican Republic, and Uruguay denounced the invasion. Ronaldo Costa, Brazil’s representative to the UN, stated Brazil’s position as ‘strongly condemning the violation of territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine’.
This kind of retaliation after the car bomb to these countries actually plays off really well.
lol nope. maybe it does to the NPC choir but to no one else.
It's seen as striking back against terrorists by the only effective method, force and unrestrained violence.
lol bro, literally nobody thinks that except for die hard russiabots. Nobody who isn't deep throating Putin sees using a truck bomb on the bridge as terrorism at all, or thinks that a UKR special forces OP to blow up a bridge justifies actual terror reprisals against civilians.
Two days ago they were gloating about a truck bomb partly destroying a bridge, now they are all huddled in basements as explosions rain down.
I have very limited sympathy nowadays, and I'm looking at these idiots like you look at a kid that throws things at the neighbours dog now crying begging for help as said dog chased them into their house, "What did you expect numbnuts!?"
I noticed you left Africa out of that rebuttal list, hard to label everything 'Russia bots' when African countries are the ones telling the West to get fucked and go to Russia for grain after Biden tried to get them to stop and starve instead. China doesn't care about an alliance and I never implied one, I said they are interested in keeping it going as it's depleting US hardware, makes any try on Taiwan a lot easier. OPEC knows how bad this green agenda in the west is and prefer to partially side with Russia for better returns later.
A lot of this "lol no" argument works on the principle there's some shared morality and how Russia is acting means that everyone is naturally opposed to it. The truth, if Russia decides to go bigger and do a themobaric bombardment on a city next, you won't hear anything from NATO.
now they are all huddled in basements as explosions rain down.
I think only in your fantasies are the Ukrainian people so suppressed. Car traffic can clearly be seen on all the Russian cruise missile strike videos.
I have very limited sympathy nowadays, and I'm looking at these idiots like you look at a kid that throws things at the neighbours dog now crying begging for help as said dog chased them into their house, "What did you expect numbnuts!?"
You're describing Russia, right? Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is the kid throwing things and then getting chased crying. Putin's mobilization is crying. Putin's wasting expensive precision cruise missiles on worthless targets is crying. Putin's prized Kerch bridge getting blown up with a simple truck bomb? That's Putin getting chased back into his house. Oh, that and the whole Ukrainian offensive retaking Izyum and Lyman and most of the area by Kherson.
I noticed you left Africa out of that rebuttal list,
Because you didn't claim Africa mattered, and Africa doesn't matter.
when African countries are the ones telling the West to get fucked and go to Russia for grain after Biden tried to get them to stop and starve instead.
Except Africa didn't tell the West to get fucked, and wanted the Ukrainian grain that Russia was blocking for most of the war.
China doesn't care about an alliance and I never implied one, I said they are interested in keeping it going as it's depleting US hardware, makes any try on Taiwan a lot easier.
None of that is true. The US military is getting more, newer, better equipment to replace everything it sends to Ukraine, and what it has sent to Ukraine is a pittance compared to its total stocks.
Also, irrelevant to Taiwan since the USAF and USN will be the ones fighting China, not the US Army.
OPEC knows how bad this green agenda in the west is and prefer to partially side with Russia for better returns later.
Russia is an OPEC competitor and essentially an enemy. Russia sometimes cooperates with OPEC and sometimes backstabs them.
The truth, if Russia decides to go bigger and do a themobaric bombardment on a city next, you won't hear anything from NATO.
"Thermobaric" isn't some kind of superweapon. Russia has been using fuel-air explosives since day 1. They just break more windows, basically. Who cares? I love how you Russiabots think that Russia is only fighting with one hand behind its back and if only it "got serious" it would show Ukraine what's what. LOL how deluded can you be?
The truth, if Russia decides to go bigger and do a themobaric bombardment on a city next
You mean to go their normal, they've been doing this for decades and in Ukraine too (such as in the Skhidnyi residential district of Mariupol, made to look like that: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RdJyc6cHkw4).
There's also nothing actually shocking about what they did yesterday, that's nothing special compared to their earlier achievements in the country such as destroying an isolated and well-known main bomb shelter marked with huge signs of CHILDREN written on the ground on both sides, also in Mariupol.
I don't know why a special distinction should be made between what Russia does in Donbas or in Kharkiv region and what they do in the further west so the latter is any special. Nothing really special happened compared to what they do normally. This time they didn't even hit any hospital, which is more remarkable and unusual than most other aspects.
You have to wonder why it is that all the other countries with selfish interests are making decisions that align with Russian purposes.
Could it be that the West and the way it works, has upset all of these other countries in various other fields enough, that they don't give a F about the W or R, but find themselves on the R side simply because, the W is on the Wrong side.
Naw, probably they are all racist misogynist transphobes.
That's a very sound and logically argument, except it is flawed by one key misunderstanding:
Is this designed to win over support in the West?
Why would they try, the West have actively been supplying the enemy, sanctioning and targeting Russian private citizens if they don't actively denounce Putin. There's no winning them over.
So what about the rest of the world? Well China wants to help Russia to keep this going, African countries don't care they want to continue business for grain imports, OPEC sided with Russia,India are interested in business and South America view this as US trying to push itself in the world again. This kind of retaliation after the car bomb to these countries actually plays off really well. It's seen as striking back against terrorists by the only effective method, force and unrestrained violence. Letting your enemy know they may hurt you but you can bury them at home.
You misunderstand me. I did not say Russia was trying to "win over" the West, just to not inflame it and hope it becomes ambivalent.
You apparently don't follow the news. No, China is absolutely not on Russia's side in this. China has consistently distanced itself from Russia and partially complied with sanctions. China only cares about China. I know the Russiabots dream of a China-Russia alliance, but China only looks out for itself, and it sees Russia as having fucked up and miscalcuated and doesn't want the blowback against Russia to undermine China's ambitions to conquer Taiwan.
9/15/22: General Secretary Xi Jinping meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Summit in Uzbekistan. According to the Russian readout, Xi and Putin discuss Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, about which Putin acknowledges that China has “questions and concerns,” while also thanking China for what Putin calls China’s “balanced position” on the invasion. The Chinese readout of the bilateral meeting does not mention a discussion of Ukraine or China’s no-limits partnership with Russia.
9/18/22: U.S. President Joe Biden says in an interview with 60 Minutes, “Thus far, there’s no indication [China has] put forward weapons or other things that Russia has wanted.”
Not at all. OPEC only cares about OPEC. They didn't cut production to help Russia.
Wrong. Most South Americans sided with Ukraine, with only Venezuela supporting Putin. Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Guatemala, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, the Dominican Republic, and Uruguay denounced the invasion. Ronaldo Costa, Brazil’s representative to the UN, stated Brazil’s position as ‘strongly condemning the violation of territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine’.
lol nope. maybe it does to the NPC choir but to no one else.
lol bro, literally nobody thinks that except for die hard russiabots. Nobody who isn't deep throating Putin sees using a truck bomb on the bridge as terrorism at all, or thinks that a UKR special forces OP to blow up a bridge justifies actual terror reprisals against civilians.
Two days ago they were gloating about a truck bomb partly destroying a bridge, now they are all huddled in basements as explosions rain down.
I have very limited sympathy nowadays, and I'm looking at these idiots like you look at a kid that throws things at the neighbours dog now crying begging for help as said dog chased them into their house, "What did you expect numbnuts!?"
I noticed you left Africa out of that rebuttal list, hard to label everything 'Russia bots' when African countries are the ones telling the West to get fucked and go to Russia for grain after Biden tried to get them to stop and starve instead. China doesn't care about an alliance and I never implied one, I said they are interested in keeping it going as it's depleting US hardware, makes any try on Taiwan a lot easier. OPEC knows how bad this green agenda in the west is and prefer to partially side with Russia for better returns later.
A lot of this "lol no" argument works on the principle there's some shared morality and how Russia is acting means that everyone is naturally opposed to it. The truth, if Russia decides to go bigger and do a themobaric bombardment on a city next, you won't hear anything from NATO.
I think only in your fantasies are the Ukrainian people so suppressed. Car traffic can clearly be seen on all the Russian cruise missile strike videos.
You're describing Russia, right? Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is the kid throwing things and then getting chased crying. Putin's mobilization is crying. Putin's wasting expensive precision cruise missiles on worthless targets is crying. Putin's prized Kerch bridge getting blown up with a simple truck bomb? That's Putin getting chased back into his house. Oh, that and the whole Ukrainian offensive retaking Izyum and Lyman and most of the area by Kherson.
Because you didn't claim Africa mattered, and Africa doesn't matter.
Except Africa didn't tell the West to get fucked, and wanted the Ukrainian grain that Russia was blocking for most of the war.
None of that is true. The US military is getting more, newer, better equipment to replace everything it sends to Ukraine, and what it has sent to Ukraine is a pittance compared to its total stocks.
Also, irrelevant to Taiwan since the USAF and USN will be the ones fighting China, not the US Army.
Russia is an OPEC competitor and essentially an enemy. Russia sometimes cooperates with OPEC and sometimes backstabs them.
"Thermobaric" isn't some kind of superweapon. Russia has been using fuel-air explosives since day 1. They just break more windows, basically. Who cares? I love how you Russiabots think that Russia is only fighting with one hand behind its back and if only it "got serious" it would show Ukraine what's what. LOL how deluded can you be?
ukraine started it when their totally legitimate government broke the crimea deal and then started shelling the entire eastern half of their country.
You mean to go their normal, they've been doing this for decades and in Ukraine too (such as in the Skhidnyi residential district of Mariupol, made to look like that: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RdJyc6cHkw4).
There's also nothing actually shocking about what they did yesterday, that's nothing special compared to their earlier achievements in the country such as destroying an isolated and well-known main bomb shelter marked with huge signs of CHILDREN written on the ground on both sides, also in Mariupol.
I don't know why a special distinction should be made between what Russia does in Donbas or in Kharkiv region and what they do in the further west so the latter is any special. Nothing really special happened compared to what they do normally. This time they didn't even hit any hospital, which is more remarkable and unusual than most other aspects.
I've seen lots of conventional missile strikes and bombs, no evidence they've done anything like this yet:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q91yFP9E9Yg
If they did, I have a strong suspicion the death toll would be way above the double digits, call it a hunch..
You have to wonder why it is that all the other countries with selfish interests are making decisions that align with Russian purposes.
Could it be that the West and the way it works, has upset all of these other countries in various other fields enough, that they don't give a F about the W or R, but find themselves on the R side simply because, the W is on the Wrong side.
Naw, probably they are all racist misogynist transphobes.