I don't think you understand the motivation of the Baltics.
Their entire foreign policy can basically be summed up as "Fuck the Russians". Not "Fuck Russia", "the Russians". They hate the country, but because they hate the people in it. If there was a Team Yankee war, the Estonians and Finns would encircle St Petersberg and put on a reenactment of Nanking.
The Soviets have replaced a large part of their population (physically removed, so to speak) with Russian colonists after taking over in the guise of "just some bases" for "mutual assisstance".
They were part of the Russian Empire though. And this all is no excuse to try to drag the rest of Europe into a war. The only reason they are this belligerent is because they think NATO will back them up.
NATO is supposed to be defensive (lol @ Serbia & Libya), not to enable chihuahuas to try to provoke conflict.
But if there was ever an independent Estonian state, I am certainly not aware of it.
Look, I know you hate Russia, but I try to look at it objectively. I think you know that of all the pro-Russia people here, I'm the most moderate, so I don't exactly get why you have made me your bete noir and not the jingoists.
The only reason they are this belligerent is because they think NATO will back them up.
And NATO will.
NATO is supposed to be defensive (lol @ Serbia & Libya), not to enable chihuahuas to try to provoke conflict.
A defensive alliance means that a member of that alliance can insult and talk shit about the bully, knowing that the bully would normally attack them but for the alliance. This weakens the bully and exposes the bully as cowardly and weak, which benefits the alliance.
It's perfectly ok to disrespect Russia. If you want to characterize that as "provoking conflict", just understand that 100% of the responsibility for said conflict is on the aggressor - Russia - not on any country or person who offended the Russians.
People talk shit about the United States ALL THE TIME. If we have to sit here and take it, so does Russia.
just understand that 100% of the responsibility for said conflict is on the aggressor
Not a Russian shill, but what do you think the US's response would have been if Russia had spent the last 20 years getting all of it's neighbors to join an anti-US alliance, culminating in bragging that Canada was about to join too?
We almost started WWII when we placed tactical nukes in Turkey and Russia reciprocated by putting some in Cuba. If you think we wouldn't invade and murder the shit out of Canada in that situation you're not a student of history.
Courting Ukraine and intimating that they would be granted NATO membership caused this war. The US and Zelensky fucked around and found out.
It's perfectly ok to disrespect Russia. If you want to characterize that as "provoking conflict", just understand that 100% of the responsibility for said conflict is on the aggressor - Russia - not on any country or person who offended the Russians.
Blockading Kaliningrad is quite another thing. Putin is extremely risk-averse. I'd have sent in armed men to force their way through, and daring the Lithuanians to shoot and start World War III. You keep calling Putin crazy, but you rely on him to be rational. It's time for a Russian leader to put the fear of God into the empire of lies, or the collective West will just continue escalating until the mushroom clouds hit.
People talk shit about the United States ALL THE TIME. If we have to sit here and take it, so does Russia.
If Russia sponsoring an attack on an American ship or carrying out an assassination on an American general is an act of war, so is the attack on the Moskva - and all the cat-lived generals who keep repeatedly being killed by the Ukrainians. (General Pavel still lives though.)
Russians dominating and bullying them for generations has that effect on people. The USSR was a Russian Empire that dominated all outlying ethnic groups for the benefit of Russians.
I don't think you understand the motivation of the Baltics.
Their entire foreign policy can basically be summed up as "Fuck the Russians". Not "Fuck Russia", "the Russians". They hate the country, but because they hate the people in it. If there was a Team Yankee war, the Estonians and Finns would encircle St Petersberg and put on a reenactment of Nanking.
The Soviets have replaced a large part of their population (physically removed, so to speak) with Russian colonists after taking over in the guise of "just some bases" for "mutual assisstance".
https://communistcrimes.org/en/timeline-soviet-occupation-baltic-states
They became extremely suspicious of anything said in Russian ever since.
They were part of the Russian Empire though. And this all is no excuse to try to drag the rest of Europe into a war. The only reason they are this belligerent is because they think NATO will back them up.
NATO is supposed to be defensive (lol @ Serbia & Libya), not to enable chihuahuas to try to provoke conflict.
So was Poland. Very impressive argument tailored to me.
But if there was ever an independent Estonian state, I am certainly not aware of it.
Look, I know you hate Russia, but I try to look at it objectively. I think you know that of all the pro-Russia people here, I'm the most moderate, so I don't exactly get why you have made me your bete noir and not the jingoists.
And NATO will.
A defensive alliance means that a member of that alliance can insult and talk shit about the bully, knowing that the bully would normally attack them but for the alliance. This weakens the bully and exposes the bully as cowardly and weak, which benefits the alliance.
It's perfectly ok to disrespect Russia. If you want to characterize that as "provoking conflict", just understand that 100% of the responsibility for said conflict is on the aggressor - Russia - not on any country or person who offended the Russians.
People talk shit about the United States ALL THE TIME. If we have to sit here and take it, so does Russia.
Not a Russian shill, but what do you think the US's response would have been if Russia had spent the last 20 years getting all of it's neighbors to join an anti-US alliance, culminating in bragging that Canada was about to join too?
We almost started WWII when we placed tactical nukes in Turkey and Russia reciprocated by putting some in Cuba. If you think we wouldn't invade and murder the shit out of Canada in that situation you're not a student of history.
Courting Ukraine and intimating that they would be granted NATO membership caused this war. The US and Zelensky fucked around and found out.
Blockading Kaliningrad is quite another thing. Putin is extremely risk-averse. I'd have sent in armed men to force their way through, and daring the Lithuanians to shoot and start World War III. You keep calling Putin crazy, but you rely on him to be rational. It's time for a Russian leader to put the fear of God into the empire of lies, or the collective West will just continue escalating until the mushroom clouds hit.
If Russia sponsoring an attack on an American ship or carrying out an assassination on an American general is an act of war, so is the attack on the Moskva - and all the cat-lived generals who keep repeatedly being killed by the Ukrainians. (General Pavel still lives though.)
And the guise of Russian fighting age men fleeing the draft all showing up trying to get in is probably concerning to them
Russians dominating and bullying them for generations has that effect on people. The USSR was a Russian Empire that dominated all outlying ethnic groups for the benefit of Russians.