I think willful ignorance/naivety is so indistinguishable from malice that the difference itself is meaningless. I treat them the same.
One can be cured though. Or maybe not. It's not one isolated bit of ignorance, it's generally a tapestry of ignorance that you can't beat without unraveling all of it - which is generally impossible, and certanly is impossible in one go.
Far as I knew you were some swarthy European, Mediterranean maybe. Doesn't matter, European racial/ethnic politics are not something I particularly involve with and have an entire different history and goals than American. I don't give large amounts of consideration to the various types of slavs any more than you can list the difference between hillbilly, coonass, cajun, acadian, creole, etc.
LOL. The 'Venice' is doing a lot of work. I'm actually no European, but Middle Eastern. So would you assume that I have some sort of secret agenda or whatever?
Ends justifying is never a good place. Trusting somebody you know to be untrustworthy because in retrospect it worked out for you is not a wise move. At least not in the "worship the ground they walk on because we are so desperate for ecelebs to notice us" sense that KIA was acting.
Those who don't have the ends justify the means are the people who lose. I'm sorry to say. Having principles is a loser. |Even more so here, when you can't even prove that people are 'grifters' but simply assume it because you find it plausible.
I find it more placebo. It gives people a nice little happy place to pretend they are accomplishing and doing something, fighting the woke, when all they are doing is jerking off in their little echo chamber and convincing each other to never do anything else.
But you think that if KiA disappeared, most of those people would come over? Of course not. It's better for them to have something than nothing, which is the alternative, and also why the reason why I wasn't happy when people hoped for the banning of KiA.
We will always differ on this. You are far more interested in growing numbers/community than I am, as well as optics. I've long since given up on such.
You can't win as a small community. There's also nothing preventing parallel communities. Ex: Someone who is moderate can join KiA to gradually reform for the better, and someone who is more red-pilled can join KiA2 (though we don't do much either).
I agree. But time has shown me that those brothers will balk and falter when we go beyond talk. Something I'm sure Lenin himself learned very well.
Actually, Lenin was quite forgiving of brothers who strayed. E.g. Zinoviev and Kamenev voted against the October coup. He expelled them but later brought them back. Bukharin even supported a coup against Lenin himself. Likewise, expelled for a while and later brought back. (All were later liquidated by Stalin.)
Obviously, this was not out of the goodness of his heart. But if anyone knew politics, it was him. He knew he needed these people. The mentality here is that you get stronger by excommunicating everyone until you're left with 2 people each calling the other federal agents.
Underplaying the mental struggles they deal with while upplaying their words as unforgiveable is how you create boogeymen. I've been through this with you enough times before to know minds won't change, but they aren't as irredeemable or even wrong as you think.
They have nothing to complain about. If they're so odious that no woman wants them, it really is on them. I've seen so many women with truly disgusting cretins who aren't even rich to know.
Who knows, sometimes people are just off enough to notice things on their own and autistically stubborn enough to unravel shit by refusing to back down on it.
Hah. But it's preoccupation of something that doesn't even affect him as he does not have dealings with women. One wonders, why.
Disagree. People are a small set of pieces that manifest themselves outward into dozens and hundreds traits. The type of person to be that level of ignorant will never not be able to be that ignorant again. You can teach him once, but if the scam is sufficiently pretending to be different next time he will be back the same.
LOL. The 'Venice' is doing a lot of work. I'm actually no European, but Middle Eastern. So would you assume that I have some sort of secret agenda or whatever?
Nah, I just remember you pulling the brown card a few times and you talked about Europe like you lived there a lot. I don't have the autistic memory you do to keep track of every detail of every conversation, and your background wasn't important enough to keep regardless. Plus Middle Eastern and European aren't mutually exclusive in the slightest in 2022, come now.
And you aren't subtly enough to have a secret agenda. You are far more of a bull brute method.
Those who don't have the ends justify the means are the people who lose.
I've already told you I fight a losing battle. I simply do not care to compromise enough to "win" a victory I don't believe achieves any of the means I desire.
That's the fun part of having come up as that "lone voice screaming into the void." You are used to an uphill climb and don't have fancy ideas of anyone ever joining you or some paradise at the top.
But you think that if KiA disappeared, most of those people would come over?
No, I agree with you on this one. I also never really wanted it banned, outside of some of the mods just because fuck em.
However, I'd also prefer to have nothing rather than "I'm helping! I'm just like you!" like most of them. I loath virtue signalling and inefficiency, and they are a population of both. I won't move to get them banned, but I also wouldn't come to their defense.
Actually, Lenin was quite forgiving of brothers who strayed.
Showing my own lack of historical knowledge again. I should probably do some reading on Communism/USSR to solve that weakness someday because I know next to nothing about it beyond the broadest strokes.
But it's preoccupation of something that doesn't even affect him as he does not have dealings with women
Which is also why he will never accomplish anything. Despite my own methods, as outlined just here, I have a long history of actually convincing people to my ideas and side. One of benefits I have over him there, and most other anti-feminists even, is I have a lot of first hand experience with women and have put many of my hypothesis to the test in that manner to see if I was or wasn't making baseless assumptions.
Whereas you can smell the inexperience on him like a musk from just words. Even when he is correct, its not out of intellect but luck.
One can be cured though. Or maybe not. It's not one isolated bit of ignorance, it's generally a tapestry of ignorance that you can't beat without unraveling all of it - which is generally impossible, and certanly is impossible in one go.
LOL. The 'Venice' is doing a lot of work. I'm actually no European, but Middle Eastern. So would you assume that I have some sort of secret agenda or whatever?
Those who don't have the ends justify the means are the people who lose. I'm sorry to say. Having principles is a loser. |Even more so here, when you can't even prove that people are 'grifters' but simply assume it because you find it plausible.
But you think that if KiA disappeared, most of those people would come over? Of course not. It's better for them to have something than nothing, which is the alternative, and also why the reason why I wasn't happy when people hoped for the banning of KiA.
You can't win as a small community. There's also nothing preventing parallel communities. Ex: Someone who is moderate can join KiA to gradually reform for the better, and someone who is more red-pilled can join KiA2 (though we don't do much either).
Actually, Lenin was quite forgiving of brothers who strayed. E.g. Zinoviev and Kamenev voted against the October coup. He expelled them but later brought them back. Bukharin even supported a coup against Lenin himself. Likewise, expelled for a while and later brought back. (All were later liquidated by Stalin.)
Obviously, this was not out of the goodness of his heart. But if anyone knew politics, it was him. He knew he needed these people. The mentality here is that you get stronger by excommunicating everyone until you're left with 2 people each calling the other federal agents.
They have nothing to complain about. If they're so odious that no woman wants them, it really is on them. I've seen so many women with truly disgusting cretins who aren't even rich to know.
Hah. But it's preoccupation of something that doesn't even affect him as he does not have dealings with women. One wonders, why.
Disagree. People are a small set of pieces that manifest themselves outward into dozens and hundreds traits. The type of person to be that level of ignorant will never not be able to be that ignorant again. You can teach him once, but if the scam is sufficiently pretending to be different next time he will be back the same.
Nah, I just remember you pulling the brown card a few times and you talked about Europe like you lived there a lot. I don't have the autistic memory you do to keep track of every detail of every conversation, and your background wasn't important enough to keep regardless. Plus Middle Eastern and European aren't mutually exclusive in the slightest in 2022, come now.
And you aren't subtly enough to have a secret agenda. You are far more of a bull brute method.
I've already told you I fight a losing battle. I simply do not care to compromise enough to "win" a victory I don't believe achieves any of the means I desire.
That's the fun part of having come up as that "lone voice screaming into the void." You are used to an uphill climb and don't have fancy ideas of anyone ever joining you or some paradise at the top.
No, I agree with you on this one. I also never really wanted it banned, outside of some of the mods just because fuck em.
However, I'd also prefer to have nothing rather than "I'm helping! I'm just like you!" like most of them. I loath virtue signalling and inefficiency, and they are a population of both. I won't move to get them banned, but I also wouldn't come to their defense.
Showing my own lack of historical knowledge again. I should probably do some reading on Communism/USSR to solve that weakness someday because I know next to nothing about it beyond the broadest strokes.
Which is also why he will never accomplish anything. Despite my own methods, as outlined just here, I have a long history of actually convincing people to my ideas and side. One of benefits I have over him there, and most other anti-feminists even, is I have a lot of first hand experience with women and have put many of my hypothesis to the test in that manner to see if I was or wasn't making baseless assumptions.
Whereas you can smell the inexperience on him like a musk from just words. Even when he is correct, its not out of intellect but luck.