“ThEY WouLd NeVer AtTack DeSanTis LikE TruMp”
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The problem is that Trump enabled them by playing right into their hands.
Trump couldn't resist saying unnecessary comments or making stupid tweets.
If Trump had a little more discipline and better personnel selection skills, he would still be in the White House today despite any "fortification" attempts.
His tweeting sadly gave credence to false media narratives about him.
The media has already started to do the same treatment to Ron DeSantis but it won't be nearly as effective.
DeSantis is much more disciplined, better at personnel selection and he doesn't have Trump's character flaws.
Trump's vocabulary and his personal life makes it easy to demonize him.
It is much harder to demonize a well-spoken veteran and family man like Ron DeSantis.
Trump's Generals went on record after the fact saying they were straight up lying to him about troop withdrawals from Afghanistan. Something he would be incapable of verifying unless he himself flew there and did a head-count.
And of course while he did that there'd be at least a dozen other government heads lying to him about something else which he'd have to personally verify. There is no one person on earth who can bring an organization that size to heel if they have decided to act maliciously: the nature of organizations of that size requires that its hierarchy generally acts in good-faith towards a particular goal. To quote some ancient wisdom: a house divided against itself cannot stand.
When Nancy Pelosi files Articles of Impeachment against DeSantis for withholding pay from the FBI, and Mitch McConnel goes on TV and agrees with her for doing so because "Republicans support our Law Enforcement", what is his plan? Is he going to do what Trump didn't and cross the Rubicon? What evidence is there he would be willing to do this? What army does he command that enables him to do so?
Make no mistake: they will demonize him. See: frequent Daily Show guest and friend John McCain once he dared run against Obama. Or Trump himself, who was a friend and guest on the late night shows until it became obvious he took his campaign seriously.
What the bureaucracy did to Trump during his Presidency is absolutely appalling. No one is ignoring that.
However Trump made matters worse by relying on the counsel of snakes like Jared Kushner and Mark Meadows.
During the whole year of 2020 with regards to COVID, Trump deferred to Fauci and Birx and didn't even think to consult any outside sane experts like Jay Bhattarcharya.
Ron DeSantis followed the national guidance at the start but a few months later he consulted Jay Bhattarcharya and other members of the Great Barrington declaration and made a name for himself.
DeSantis even admitted that he made a mistake during the start of COVID. This humility is what is needed in a leader.
Meanwhile just last month, Trump still says he saved millions of lives with his lockdowns and Operation Warpspeed.
Trump's after election legal team was a joke and was led by Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis. They majorly dropped the ball on communicating the problems of the elections.
One of Trump's fatal flaws is personnel selection. Even if every outside factor was against him, he unfortunately made things worse for himself by listening to the absolutely worst people.
Let's compare Trump and DeSantis on two dimensions: IQ and character. DeSantis is clearly superior to Trump with regards to both of these dimensions. We can do much better than a 78 year old Trump in 2024.
They are already demonizing DeSantis and it won't work as good as it did on Trump.
I admit that DeSantis is not a magical hero who will solve all our problems sure.
I am not saying he is a one man fix.
My point is that DeSantis doesn't have Trump's character flaws and is drastically better at not taking the media's bait and he has a proven record of being better at personnel selection.
In the specific scenario that you presented, what would Trump even do?
He would merely tweet something and proceed to do nothing. He sure as hell won't be crossing any Rubicon. We saw what he did during the BLM riots. He tweeted law and order and did nothing. We saw what he did after the fortified election.
Trump is not the man that the hour calls for.
2024 is not the time to nominate a 78 year old man who focuses more on style than substance.
If I wanted someone to entertain me I would pick Trump.
What we need is someone serious and capable of remaining focused on achieving policy objectives.
DeSantis is undoubtedly better suited for that role.
Argue all you want against Trump and I will agree with you: he took his shot, and he missed. OK, granted. I have been saying that since 2020: If Trump is not in the White House on January 21, 2021 he loses my support. He isn't there, so...
But now you have to make a positive argument that DeSantis will make the shot that Trump missed. How's he going to deal with the lying Generals? While simultaneously dealing with lying heads of every other Executive branch? If he deals with the lying Generals the same way he dealt with public school administrators in Florida (withholding pay), how's he going to deal with Mitch McConnel siding with Nancy Pelosi when the Dems try to remove him for doing that because "that's not the right way to do it" or whatever BS excuse they'll use? They impeached Trump over a phone call where he exposed Obama admin corruption in Ukraine: why wouldn't they impeach DeSantis over withholding pay from Executive branch staff?
Trump thought that based on his ability to exercise authority in industry that he could go into DC and command that same level of authority. He was wrong. DeSantis supporters strike me as making that same sort of categorical error: that his ability to exercise authority in Tallahassee will translate in DC. I don't see that being the case and in fact see plenty of evidence to the contrary.
The nominee in 2024 can either be Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump again. There are no other candidates who even have a shot at winning the nomination.
I think I have already made the case for why nominating DeSantis is better than nominating Trump again.
I don't expect DeSantis to run D.C. like he ran Tallahasse. The problems in D.C. are at an institutional level. It is not possible to fix it magically through the actions of one man.
It is possible to chip away at the bureaucracy by focusing on clear policy objectives instead of blustering and grandstanding on social media.
What do I expect from a DeSantis presidency?
I expect DeSantis to hire actual competent people.
I expect him to chip away at the powers of the bureaucracy using all the power available to him.
I expect him to not care about what the media says about him and not to waste time arguing with them.
I expect him to not unnecessarily tweet out random comments that makes him unpalatable to large swathes of the electorate.
I don't expect him to be a modern Julius Caesar.
You seem to want a modern day Julius Caesar.
We are not going to be getting that regardless which of the two candidates available that we nominate.
DeSantis offers us a better shot at fixing the major problems plaguing the nation than a 78 year old Trump.
You can only pick between the options available.
In my eyes, the choice is simple.
Are you… are you retarded? The entire point of this thread is to demonstrate that it doesn’t matter what you say or do, if the media wants to label you a bigot, they can and will do so. The three most popular pieces of “evidence” that Trump is racist were all literally fabricated by the media. They can and will do the same thing to Desantis.
Here’s what I will give you: people are less likely to fall for the exact same strategies a second time, so Desantis might benefit from Trump springing all of the media traps ahead of him.
You have missed my point entirely.
The media accusations won't stick as easy if the target doesn't make it easy for them.
They fabricated three large lies about Trump but Trump kept taking the bait and making more and more poorly worded statements on various topics making it easy for dumb normies to believe the lies.
DeSantis wouldn't replicate this behavior.