I have HBO Max (plan on cancelling once I see all the older shows I want to see) and I don't care to see House of the Dragon considering it is based on a show that will go down in history for one of the biggest crash landings for a popular show. As much as I blame GRRM for most of the issues with Game of Thrones and can't believe HBO would even work with him again, I did enjoy the Ice and Fire books (along with some of his sci-fi). I was wondering if the Fire and Blood book is worth the read if I can find a used copy of course.
Also, I'm surprised they don't tell these actors/actresses of these shows to shut up. These women droning on about how it is all about feminism really make me want to tune in I tell ya.
At least before the first power narrative took over GOT you had some equality of evil characters with men and women being bad
The controversy from these loud mouthed cunts is the only thing driving these shows. They don't hire them based upon their skill, they know exactly what and who they are getting.
They are trying to cover their writing, directing and acting inadequacies through virtue signaling. Not a surprise that no show takes risks and there are no original concepts.
It wasn't only GOT that ...well got shittier season by season, i had to quit watching The Expanse, The Orville, Walking Dead and many other shows because of decline in quality. HotD looks to start really low.
Walking Dead was huge in the earlier 2010s. In 2018 I quit the show because it was a chore to get through. I decided to finish the comic books and in the comics I was pleasantly surprised that it ended with a good father. I started watching the Expanse but not sure if I should continue because I’ve heard the same things you said. At least Orville gave me what I wanted from Nutrek. A new crew going on adventures. Why they have to attach it to Spock is beyond me. But I get what you are saying.
Problem with the Walking Dead is that they drag out something that ought to take one episode to resolve and turn it into 3 episodes. The trick to watching the show is to wait for the season to end and watch it on DVR and skip ahead a lot of the talkies, especially ones with the women, you won't miss much.
These days, skipping the parts with women is almost required to make shows watchable.
Are the comics a good read? I noped out of the TV show after the 2nd season. You're right -- it felt like work rather than fun!
I actually really liked his other TV show, "Outcast" -- but it got cancelled. I've been meaning to get the comics for that one.
Yes I’d say you should buy the comics or read them digitally. I enjoyed them. I have the first few issues of Outcast. Pretty good from what I read. Never saw the show.
Any reason you stopped reading Outcast? I really loved the show. Brent Spiner (from TNG) was in it, and it really made me appreciate him as an actor. The set-up of TWD and Outcast were so perfect -- they really made you care about the people.
No reason. Just that my comic book budget was limited and at the time I was still keeping up with certain modern comics. But I’ll probably get the TPBs.
The expanse seemed to go downhill after they lost the detective guy.
You know a show is not worth watching when the marketing and the actors are only talking about how empowering it is and how women are finally the ones who "rule".
TBF: the ones who crashed it into the ground were the showrunners. They wanted to wash their hands and be done with it faster. You can tell already in the penultimate season that they were kinda done. Stuff feels rushed, some stuff makes no sense. And then the final season gave it the final push. GOT will go down in history as one of the worst endings to a cult series phenomenon, it could've been one of the if not the most influential series but they had to fuck it all up because they were done with it and wanted to finish it faster. IIRC: HBO even gave em another season if they needed it.
Still think the signs were on the wall when characters like lady stoneheart did not appear.
Gotta disagree that D&D are solely or even mostly to blame for the last couple seasons of GoT, tbh. They may have rushed it and made up a boatload of nonsense, but they only signed on to adapt Martin's work, not create a partially original one of their own. They did skip over a lot of stuff from the last two books as well but to be frank, like 80-90% of AFFC and ADWD is unadaptable filler that wouldn't make good television. (A fifth of AFFC is just Brienne meandering around the Riverlands, looking for a character the readers know isn't even in the same kingdom and accomplishing basically nothing of importance to the narrative)
And for all that, even if D&D had painstakingly adapted every page from those two last books in the series to stretch GoT out to twelve or thirteen seasons (with the latest season airing this year)...Martin STILL hasn't published Winds of Winter yet as of 2022, nevermind Dream of Spring. Yeah, we can't forget the next book isn't even the last in the series lmao, and realistically he's probably going to need an eighth or even ninth book to have any hope of satisfactorily wrapping up all the new plot threads he just introduced in AFFC/ADWD without rushing the narrative as badly as D&D themselves did. I honestly wouldn't be able to blame anybody for wanting out at that point (the showrunners and actors would've been working on GoT for even longer than Andrew Lincoln had on The Walking Dead by then), and GRRM's inability to finish his work means it wouldn't even matter all that much if D&D had found some eager volunteer to hand GoT off to.
As for HOTD, I'm just looking forward to how the 'yas kween slay' crowd will react to the ending to the Dance of the Dragons, which Martin already wrote fairly extensively about in The World of Ice and Fire and now the Fire and Blood books. Either they're going to melt down as hard as Dany stans did after S8 or Martin's gonna have to radically change his ending, in which case he'd further demonstrate that he no longer has an ounce of confidence or creative integrity and I'd lose respect for him that I didn't even know I still had.
If you think GRRMs books are dry as a history book, I'd hate to hear what you think of Tolkien.
He's talking about one particular book that's outside the main GOT story line.