If black people had their own country they might establish different rules for what is acceptable that would be easier for them to comply with. For instance, it might be acceptable for the poor to steal from the rich. Maybe cheating on your taxes isn't a crime. There is such a thing as absolute right and wrong, but it doesn't map directly onto laws, or onto the mechanism of crime and punishment.
For another example, in several Asian and Arab countries drug trafficking is punishable by death. Is that right or wrong? IDK, but it may work for them. That sort of self determination is every people's right.
So this is a "blacks are a people" thing, then? Like, Haitians are the same as Nigerians are the same as a dude born and raised in Detroit? If that's the case, I really can't agree. I've had black neighbors who were as American as all get-out...certainly more than some twerpy ear-gauge blue-hair from Seattle.
I support a right to self-determination on this matter. Some, for lack of a better word, African Americans feel they are a people. Some do not identify that way. Some white people identify as white. Some identify another way. I suspect Nigerians do not identify as the same people as African Americans, no.
Jared Taylor proposed a three-way partition of America into white, black, and multicultural. That seems roughly correct.
Okay, but if I'm reading "partition" right, then it's a "I'm drawing a line down the room and you stay on your side" idea. Whites, I'm assuming, get America--with all the cultural traditions that come with it--and blacks go together elsewhere, culturally and I'm also assuming geographically.
What happens to the black Americans who don't consider themselves Black foremost, or African American, or whathaveyou, who are just Americans who are black? Where do they go, if they don't want to join the African American culture and the Whites have a sign up that says "No blacks allowed?"
Also, I'm curious: Under the 3-way plan, how big do you assume the proportion of territory will be that will go to the "Whites only" demographic? Same question for the "Blacks only."Is their geographic chunk an even split of territory, or is the land divided by relative population? Also also, is there any consideration as to who gets the metropolitan infrastructure versus who gets the less-developed rural and suburban?
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I'm going to go ahead and simply say I hate this plan. A) It would require massive eminent domain--like on a Soviet scale, to create these political demarcations. Fantasy at best, Commie at worst, and the only good Commie is a dead Commie. B) It deprives good people of other good people. A White person who doesn't want to live in rainbow-colored Faggotopia has to divest himself from Blacks who might share his values, culture, beliefs, and traditions. Same for the Black person. "Multiculturetopia" sounds like some kind of analog for the United States at present, which both black people and white people have a lot to dislike, that has absolutely nothing to do with racial differences.
Yeah I don't get this plan. It fixes nothing important except for those who consider racial animus to be their number one priority. I think that's a vanishingly small number of people, and normal people shouldn't be obliged to conform to their wants.
The idea is carving out a white homeland and a black homeland from the existing US. This is a geographical partition. Culture is people, and they are free to carry it with them. Yes, nonethnics within the ethnostates would have to leave. Black people probably get DC, if that makes it any more palatable.
People who want to continue to live in a multiethnic society continue to do so in the third state. It's a continuation of the existing US, so by default they keep everything except some territory.
Ideally lines would be drawn to maximize existing enfranchisement. The Pacific Northwest has been discussed as a white homeland. The South has been proposed as a black homeland. Very roughly, that's probably the way it goes. It is, of course, impossible to be fair to everyone -- there will be winners and losers. Proportional land distribution is an option, but it doesn't seem ideal. Perhaps every county could be assigned a value somehow, and some horse trading could occur. Depending on how many people want to continue to comprise the multiethnic United States, that could occupy most of the existing US. I'm guessing Ethnics are more willing to give up cities than Polyglots. I'm not saying it's easy, but the smart money seems to think the US is doomed, so...
If black people had their own country they might establish different rules for what is acceptable that would be easier for them to comply with. For instance, it might be acceptable for the poor to steal from the rich. Maybe cheating on your taxes isn't a crime. There is such a thing as absolute right and wrong, but it doesn't map directly onto laws, or onto the mechanism of crime and punishment.
For another example, in several Asian and Arab countries drug trafficking is punishable by death. Is that right or wrong? IDK, but it may work for them. That sort of self determination is every people's right.
So this is a "blacks are a people" thing, then? Like, Haitians are the same as Nigerians are the same as a dude born and raised in Detroit? If that's the case, I really can't agree. I've had black neighbors who were as American as all get-out...certainly more than some twerpy ear-gauge blue-hair from Seattle.
I support a right to self-determination on this matter. Some, for lack of a better word, African Americans feel they are a people. Some do not identify that way. Some white people identify as white. Some identify another way. I suspect Nigerians do not identify as the same people as African Americans, no.
Jared Taylor proposed a three-way partition of America into white, black, and multicultural. That seems roughly correct.
Okay, but if I'm reading "partition" right, then it's a "I'm drawing a line down the room and you stay on your side" idea. Whites, I'm assuming, get America--with all the cultural traditions that come with it--and blacks go together elsewhere, culturally and I'm also assuming geographically.
What happens to the black Americans who don't consider themselves Black foremost, or African American, or whathaveyou, who are just Americans who are black? Where do they go, if they don't want to join the African American culture and the Whites have a sign up that says "No blacks allowed?"
Also, I'm curious: Under the 3-way plan, how big do you assume the proportion of territory will be that will go to the "Whites only" demographic? Same question for the "Blacks only."Is their geographic chunk an even split of territory, or is the land divided by relative population? Also also, is there any consideration as to who gets the metropolitan infrastructure versus who gets the less-developed rural and suburban?
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I'm going to go ahead and simply say I hate this plan. A) It would require massive eminent domain--like on a Soviet scale, to create these political demarcations. Fantasy at best, Commie at worst, and the only good Commie is a dead Commie. B) It deprives good people of other good people. A White person who doesn't want to live in rainbow-colored Faggotopia has to divest himself from Blacks who might share his values, culture, beliefs, and traditions. Same for the Black person. "Multiculturetopia" sounds like some kind of analog for the United States at present, which both black people and white people have a lot to dislike, that has absolutely nothing to do with racial differences.
Yeah I don't get this plan. It fixes nothing important except for those who consider racial animus to be their number one priority. I think that's a vanishingly small number of people, and normal people shouldn't be obliged to conform to their wants.
The idea is carving out a white homeland and a black homeland from the existing US. This is a geographical partition. Culture is people, and they are free to carry it with them. Yes, nonethnics within the ethnostates would have to leave. Black people probably get DC, if that makes it any more palatable.
People who want to continue to live in a multiethnic society continue to do so in the third state. It's a continuation of the existing US, so by default they keep everything except some territory.
Ideally lines would be drawn to maximize existing enfranchisement. The Pacific Northwest has been discussed as a white homeland. The South has been proposed as a black homeland. Very roughly, that's probably the way it goes. It is, of course, impossible to be fair to everyone -- there will be winners and losers. Proportional land distribution is an option, but it doesn't seem ideal. Perhaps every county could be assigned a value somehow, and some horse trading could occur. Depending on how many people want to continue to comprise the multiethnic United States, that could occupy most of the existing US. I'm guessing Ethnics are more willing to give up cities than Polyglots. I'm not saying it's easy, but the smart money seems to think the US is doomed, so...